Musical Pet Peeves

**Janszoon** · 04-10-2015, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew

''Hardcore'' is a punk genre people, why is that so hard to understand for many?

(Disclaimer, I'm not talking about hardcore hip hop or electronic music)

It started out as a punk subgenre, but it's moved so far away from punk at this point that I consider it to be its own seperate genre.

Dylstew · 04-10-2015, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

It started out as a punk subgenre, but it's moved so far away from punk at this point that I consider it to be its own seperate genre.

I think it still falls under the large spectrum of punk.
It just annoys me when people go ''This isn't metal!'' Yeah duh, it's not a Metal sub genre.

What's weird though is that there's no real different term from traditional hardcore punk and modern hardcore punk.
The only difference in name is that people usually refer to the latter as just ''hardcore'', but that's confusing as ****.
A lot of modern equivalents are very different from their traditional counterparts though.

**Janszoon** · 04-10-2015, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew

I think it still falls under the large spectrum of punk.

Only in the sense that it's descended from it.

Dylstew · 04-10-2015, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Only in the sense that it's descended from it.

It grew out of Beatdown Hardcore/New York Hardcore and now sounds different, but I think it still fits Punk better than just being a separate rock genre altogether.
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The Menzingers play pop punk but it doesn't sound like the Ramones, buzzcocks or early Undertones. Neither does Morning Glory.

Chula Vista · 04-10-2015, 07:14 AM

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**Janszoon** · 04-10-2015, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew

It grew out of Beatdown Hardcore/New York Hardcore and now sounds different, but I think it still fits Punk better than just being a separate rock genre altogether.
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The Menzingers play pop punk but it doesn't sound like the Ramones, buzzcocks or early Undertones. Neither does Morning Glory.

Hardcore has interbred so much with metal since the late 80s that I feel like it is pretty far removed from punk at this point. And it's own subgenres, like grindcore and powerviolence, are really far removed from punk.

Dylstew · 04-10-2015, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Hardcore has interbred so much with metal since the late 80s that I feel like it is pretty far removed from punk at this point. And it's own subgenres, like grindcore and powerviolence, are really far removed from punk.

It did but that was called Metalcore for a reason. How are Grindcore and powerviolence not punk? What?
What's next, Crust Punk isn't punk? All have metal elements to them, but they're still punk genres.
Grindcore is both Punk and Metal though.

**Janszoon** · 04-10-2015, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew

It did but that was called Metalcore for a reason.

No, it was called Crossover. Metalcore was later. My point is that metal and hardcore have cross pollinated so much that hardcore has moved far away from its punk roots.

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Originally Posted by Dylstew

How are Grindcore and powerviolence not punk? What?

They sound nothing like punk. It's like saying post punk is blues because it's a form of rock and rock came from blues. At some point styles evolve far enough from their ancestors that they belong in a different category.

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Originally Posted by Dylstew

What's next, Crust Punk isn't punk? All have metal elements to them, but they're still punk genres.
Grindcore is both Punk and Metal though.

I've always thought Crust was a pretty badly named and poorly defined style honestly.

Is everything that can trace its roots back punk a subgenre of punk to you? Is Indie Rock punk? Electroclash? Glam Metal?

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