Originally Posted by Trollheart

For me, personally (and I know many do not agree!) music has to have melody, or at least harmony. I have listened to some grindcore which I would not consider music, would consider noise, and yet you can listen to birds singing and that can be music. But I think to qualify as music the sound needs to have some basic structure, something you can recognise as a pattern, and it should be also something that evokes an emotional response in you, be it good or bad. I mean, I can bang dustbin lids while screaming at the top of my voice and my cat wails at the sound: is that music?

To me, no. It has to sound, I don't know, finished and have a purpose. Naturally, people will come here and say freeform jazz has no pattern, some black metal or EDM or whatever has none, and that's still music. And it is. So my definition does not stand up.

However, to me, I don't consider it music unless I can recognise it as such. Which is why sometimes some random sound (fridge, water in pipes, wind in the trees) can suddenly sound like music, though it doesn't always.

That's my take on it anyway.

Originally Posted by Janszoon

I know we've already had this conversation, but I just want to highlight the fact that grindcore does have melody (notes are being played in a deliberate sequence), harmony (it contains notes being played together in the form of chords) and structure (which is quite traditional in the sense that you can actually write it out as sheet music). I find that it does evoke an emotional response in me and it sounds like it does in you as well, though in your case that emotion is repulsion.

Originally Posted by elphenor

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I don't know enough about music to understand the points you made so it really does just sound like noise to me. I remember in HS everyone was big into Dillinger Escape Plan and "math" metal. I just don't understand it.

I still call it music though. I just mute it when it gets played in plug.