The Batlord

"Compositions"? You can't compose silence. That's just retarded. Can I just pick up some rock off the ground and say, "Hey, look what I just sculpted"?

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Frownland

Doesn't make it a good sculpture.

It's cute seeing you try to make music analogous to unrelated things.

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The Batlord

How? It's claiming to have created something when you haven't actually done anything. You can't compose silence. It's common sense. That's just called sitting on your ass.

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Frownland

Many of those compositions are written, so they did do something. And since when does compositional skill equate to something being music or a composition? Don't you listen to Manowar?

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The Batlord

Wrote what? Rests? Pauses? If there isn't any sound to pause from then you may as well be clapping with one hand.

And I wasn't criticizing anybody's compositional skill, or even a silent "song"'s relevance as art, just the idea that silence can be a composition.

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Frownland

And you were saying that it's not a composition because it supposedly doesn't take any compositional skill. You also seem to think that "rest" means "stop," which isn't the case. A rest is where the instrument is silent. A composition (discounting free form music and real time composition) is a guide for the performer to use in a piece as to what to do. Since a silent piece dictates what the performer should do (which in this case is nothing), doesn't that make it a composition?

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The Batlord

First of all, no, I did not say anything about skill, that's a strawman. I know nothing about John Cage's ability as a composer, but I certainly am not going to count a non-composition against his skill as one.

If there isn't any sound being made, then does the difference between a stop or a rest or falling asleep in your chair make any ****ing difference? Whatever the musicians may or may not be doing with their instruments has nothing to do with the silence, anymore than a tiger-repelling rock has to do with repelling tigers. They just happen to be there. So, if you want to call a bunch of pointlessly written down notes and rhythms and time signatures a composition, then go right ahead. But you get exactly the same silence without it.

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Frownland

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Mondo Bungle

Well yeah, simpletons like you can't, but look at all those people who did.

And yes, to the question.

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Rexx Shredd

Let me tell you something:

I can play 1/64th rests FASTER than anybody on guitar!!!!

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