William_the_Bloody

I think that's great that you live in Ireland, but save your coin. The peak would have been in the 60's and early 70's when bands like the Dubliners & Clancy Brothers were at their peak.

Still it would be great to know if there are still a lot of talented young celtic players around the small towns of Ireland. Last I heard all the youth were still listening to techno.

PS. what's the name of your prog rock journal?

Trollheart

Well it's all down to age really. The Wolfe Tones, Dubliners and Chieftains are still really popular with the older generation, as well as of course tourists. But there were also crossover bands like Planxty and Moving Hearts, to say nothing of the eternal popularity of people like Christy Moore and Mary Black. I'd say certainly in the more rural areas trad music is as popular as it ever was, and we just had a huge fleadh (pron: "flah"), a big Irish music festival, and it still draws huge crowds.

This is my prog rock journal: http://www.musicbanter.com/members-j...ive-metal.html
hasn't been updated in a while, but it's up to 1969 and there's some good stuff there already.

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William_the_Bloody

TheIt's good to hear that Irish folk music is still thriving. (It's my personal favourite. Much better than that drab & melancholy English stuff )

Thanks for the prog link.

William_the_Bloody

Here's another,

Reggae:

Originates sometime in the 60's from ska & rocksteady before quickly ascending to it's peak in the early 70's. However it remains popular throughout the 70's and early 80's until it begins to make its decent by the mid/late 80's, as it becomes surpassed by dance hall and later Ragga by the early 90's, where by that time it declines into an other underground niche genre.

misspoptart

I've got a couple too, although they are extremely niche and I'm not sure if they are appropriate for the thread. Anyway here goes:

J-pop
In the 1990s and early 2000s, Japanese pop captured the Asian market with names like Ayuma Hamasaki, Utada Hikaru, GLAY, Gackt, and Namie Amuro. Somehow, toward the end of 2007-2008, Japanese pop gave way to Korean pop instead.

K-pop
Even more interestingly than Japanese music's rise and fall in Asia, K-pop took over the world practically overnight in 2012 with PSY. However, since 2014, K-pop's popularity has sharply decreased. The perfect definition of trend.

Dream pop
Originated in the 1980s, but I think it has just about reached its peak and is on the decline. I would have said it was already on the way out in early 2000s (along with the Cranberries and Goldfrapp's best album), but interestingly artists like Lana del Rey, Dev, and Marina & the Diamonds seem to be keeping it alive... barely.

William_the_Bloody

Thanks for the contribution as I don't spend as much time as I should listening to music from foreign markets, and for filling in the recent history of Dream Pop, I was unaware of its evolution over the years.

misspoptart

Very welcome. I'm always super fascinated by how quickly trends take off in Japan and then how quickly they also seem to die. Probably a product of having a really disproportionate ratio of old to young people. I think K-pop has always been destined to crash and burn because it went global overnight. But I have to admit I didn't expect it to happen so soon!

banger

I want 90s rave to come back

Trollheart

OK, so then: progressive rock. Hmm. Opinions differ about where prog rock began, with progressive elements even in certain jazz albums of the forties, but the general concensus is that albums like Sgt Peppers and Piper at the Gates of Dawn show the first proper elements of prog rock, along with other artistes such as Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart. So you can say the seeds were properly sown in say the late sixties --- 1966/67 --- but really only began to bear fruit in the early seventies with that decade almost completely dominated by bands such as Yes, Genesis, ELP and King Crimson. These bands had some of their biggest (and in some cases only) hits in the 1970s.

With the arrival of Punk in 1976/7 as well as the advent of the NWOBHM, people began to question the, by then, overindulgent, overblown, pretentious monster that prog rock had become and it turned out not only to be a snake who ate its own tail, but that was attacked by predators on both sides --- punk and metal --- and was pretty much devoured by the end of the seventies.

A short revival in 1982 - 1985 took place with bands like Marillion, Pallas and IQ coming forward to lead what became unofficially known as the New Wave of Prog Rock, or neo-prog, and even stalwarts of the seventies like Genesis who had drifted off in a more poppy direction tried to "get prog" again, Genesis with their 1983 self-titled album before they went all commercial again with Invisible Touch and never really recovered.

The prog rock revival did not last really beyond '85 though, when Marillion almost got to number one with "Kayleigh" and had their most commercially successful album, Misplaced Childhood. Then later in the 90s prog rock became popular, in a way, in the USA with the emergence of bands like Spock's Beard and the move also towards progressive metal with bands like Dream Theater.

As a dominant force, though, I think prog rock can be charted thus:

1966-69: Emergence; fledging bands, albums released which would later be important to or an influence on the genre

1970 - 1977 Heyday, with some iconic albums released and some major bands dominating the scene

1978 - 1980 Pretty much dying/dead thanks to Punk Rock and NWOBHM as people looked for harder, more aggressive music that they could play themselves and that took on social and personal issues

1982- 1985 Revival for a short time with neo-prog as prog became fashionable again for a short time; prog metal also started up around this time.

1990 More or less done; some prog bands but many of the ones that had spearheaded the "invasion" already turning to other areas (pop, rock, jazz fusion etc).

A very very simplified timeline but hopefully it helps.

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Yeah, no.

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