The rise and fall of musical genres

DwnWthVwls · 08-07-2015, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

My understanding is that its popularity has been in decline over the past decade or so.

Record sales and stuff yes. Just read an article about rap record sales in 2014 being down ~24%. I just feel like it's so heavily incorporated in Pop music to the point where they are practically the same genre, which kind of blurs the reality of it's success.

HellCell · 08-07-2015, 09:55 PM

Rap is finally dying down? Phew, I was getting tired of growing up with everyone around me listening to that.

**Frownland** · 08-07-2015, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by HellCell

Rap is finally dying down? Phew, I was getting tired of growing up with everyone around me listening to that.

Nope.

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**Janszoon** · 08-07-2015, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Record sales and stuff yes. Just read an article about rap record sales in 2014 being down ~24%. I just feel like it's so heavily incorporated in Pop music to the point where they are practically the same genre, which kind of blurs the reality of it's success.

That's the main indicator that a genre is past its prime.

Ninetales · 08-07-2015, 10:42 PM

but like not just radio play but I think the hip hop coming out now in general rivals the 90s in quality.

William_the_Bloody · 08-07-2015, 11:18 PM

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Just because something is a hit in the discos William does not make it a disco song, and using Blondie as an example of disco is wrong. Anyway, I don't know what your problem is: I already pointed out the peak/trough of prog (which you completely ignored in your summing up) so it's not like that's the only contribution I've made to the thread. I think in fact I was second to post?

But if I see someone label something as something it isn't, I'll correct it. Nothing wrong with that. Get your facts right and you wont be corrected. "Harry's Game" by Clannad was a huge hit in the clubs, but they're a traditional Irish band. You gonna call them disco too?

Well then my apologies Trollheart, I somehow missed your prog rock comment, I appreciate your contribution. Your still wrong on Heart of Glass though, it is a disco song, and disco is awesome

The Batlord · 08-08-2015, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

And metal is most definitely not in a dip, I'd say it's at one of its best stages in its history right now.

Nah, metal's peaked. People will always want to hear extreme forms of music, so I doubt it'll ever truly "die", but the original purpose of metal (being louder than all the music which had come before) was fulfilled with the creation of death metal, grindcore, and 2nd wave black metal.

Now, great music is made for the most part by singular, experimental bands, putting new spins on pre-existing sub-genres, with only a few small scenes forming around any one sound.

Other than that, you just have throwback bands playing the same thrash, black, death, trad, etc metal which other bands already pioneered decades ago.

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I was totally on board with the thrash revival of the late 00's and early 10's, damn near all I listened to between 2008 and 2012. A lot of great albums came out of that movement (Black Future, Waking Into Nightmares, Ironbound, Enter the Grave etc) but a lot more mediocrity came with it, at least thrash is still fun as hell even when it's mediocre. Did that wave of bands see any attention here on the forum? Batlord maybe?

Lost interest in about two months, when I realized it was nothing more than 3rd rate Nuclear Assault worship, kept from any kind of real sonic threat by self-consciously retro schtick. The "thrash revival" is one of the worst jokes in the entirety of metal history. Post-"Home Sweet Home" hair metal had more creative worth.

Trollheart · 08-08-2015, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

Well then my apologies Trollheart, I somehow missed your prog rock comment, I appreciate your contribution. Your still wrong on Heart of Glass though, it is a disco song, and disco is awesome

We'll agree to disagree. I'm not one for fighting and I sure don't want to derail your thread. Yeah, my prog thing was the first thing posted after your OP. I haven't commented since as it's kind of gone in a pretty much rap/hip-hop direction and I have no insight into that.

I do feel however my point about genres crossing over is worth exploring?

Black Francis · 08-08-2015, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

Well there was a big new wave revival, if you consider indie rock bands like the Strokes & Interpol as new wave.

Also lately there has been a lot of new wave sounding bands dominating the pop charts.

(ie Goyte: Someone I use to know, Foster the People: Pumped up Kicks)

but your right new wave will never be as dominate as it was in the 80's, (we probably hit peak new wave in 83?) you should map that one out.

Wish i could but honestly idk enough about new wave yet to do that. i know enough to not call the Strokes new wave though.

It's only in recent years ive taken an interest in the New wave movement of the 80's im more familiar with the grunge movement of the 90's.

William_the_Bloody · 08-08-2015, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Lost interest in about two months, when I realized it was nothing more than 3rd rate Nuclear Assault worship, kept from any kind of real sonic threat by self-consciously retro schtick. The "thrash revival" is one of the worst jokes in the entirety of metal history. Post-"Home Sweet Home" hair metal had more creative worth.

Yes I would tend to agree, some of the crossover thrash bands like Toxic Holocaust & Short Sharp Shock were really good though.

But the straight up thrash bands like Evile & Warbringer didn't seem to have the talent of the big 4.

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We'll agree to disagree. I'm not one for fighting and I sure don't want to derail your thread. Yeah, my prog thing was the first thing posted after your OP. I haven't commented since as it's kind of gone in a pretty much rap/hip-hop direction and I have no insight into that.

I do feel however my point about genres crossing over is worth exploring?

I actually did respond to your post, you just missed it. I liked your point on how each new generation feels the need to make sure their music is different from their parents, thus it appeared that the decline of musical genres seemed inevitable.

I guess that is true about prog rock, to be honest it's one genre I know nothing about, basically because it puts me to sleep. If you could map out when it started to ascend, peak and then crash, that would be awesome?

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Wish i could but honestly idk enough about new wave yet to do that. i know enough to not call the Strokes new wave though.

It's only in recent years ive taken an interest in the New wave movement of the 80's im more familiar with the grunge movement of the 90's.

A lot of people have labeled The Strokes & Interpol as part of a "new wave revival" but I would disagree as well, though the influence was definitely in their music.

New Wave essentials, U2, The Police, Blondie, the Eurthymics, Duran Duran, Men at Work, The Bangles & any new wave hits from 81 to 84. By the mid late 80's new wave starts to become over sophisticated & commercialized & thus was eventually given the boot.

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