Power Pop That Is Not Called Power Pop But Still Is Power Pop Cause **** You?
 

I've discovered today that I like Killswitch Engage quite a bit more than I thought I did, and it's basically because I've realized that they should be listened to as a power pop band rather than a metalcore one. I've long thought of In Flames as a metallic power pop band as well, even if no one else does.

Know any bands that would qualify for the power pop tag, even if the musical elite call them something else?

Wow, you feel those two songs are pop? Pretty heavy for power pop...but I guess many I have different definitions of what power pop is...for me, power pop is defined by two bands- The Raspberries and Weezer. Throw in some Marshall Crenshaw or Rockpile and there you go, lol...

Well the whole point of power pop is that it's pop that's heavier than traditional pop. I don't think there should be a ceiling on the heaviness, so long as the music is basically pop. I think In Flames and Killswitch are the new era of Big Star and Cheap Trick.

With no ceiling on the heaviness, I think this might be epitome of rocking power pop :D

Meh. Not a big Ghoul fan.

This is some goodness. Melodic metalcore had some good power pop when it wasn't boring ****...

You can think that. You'd be wrong, but you can think it, lol.

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The new era of power pop is Weezer, The Killers and one-off bands like Tinted Windows. Some would even throw Foxy Shazam in there, or Free Energy.

The melodic DM scene in Sweden produced some pretty good bands IMO. But In Flames has sucked for a long time, like a Swedish Motley Crue.

You should be ****ing castrated for putting Big Star in the same sentence as those two bands

Power pop need not have any kind of restrictive sound. It's just pop that's louder than the Beatles. These qualify...






Some of In Flames' music is just as good as anything Big Star ever put out. And I'm only just starting to like Killswitch again, but they have their moments. Either way, regardless of quality, melodic death metal and melodic metalcore are two genres that are as much pop as metal. Which was my point.

Korn

Well, based on what I like on power pop, can I make an acoustic suggestion? Wanna Make it a Day by Robin Famewolf.

I'm going to take this thread in a couple different directions. First, I'm going to give Brian Wilson credit as one of the genre's initiators. After all, he came up with the idea of putting together doo-wop harmonies and Chuck Berry rock 'n' roll. Pete Townshend of the Who (who coined the term "power pop") mentioned this song in particular as an early example.



I'm also going to probably offend a lot of diehard Police fans by calling them power pop. But when you look at all the melodic hooks… "Roxanne," "Can't Stand Losing You," "Message in a Bottle," etc. Those are basically great pop songs dressed up with some reggae/punk/new wave instrumentation.

And if we really stretch our definition of power pop, wouldn't pretty much any '70s punk band be considered power pop? You've got the simple chords and the catchy hooks played much louder.

If punk had never become a thing then they probably would be considered power pop. I certainly don't see why you couldn't call Buzzcocks or the Ramones power pop bands.

Deadsy isn't NU metal they ARE POWERPOP !!!!!!!!!!

I was especially thinking of the Ramones and some of their covers. Even the Clash. I can imagine a '60s girl group doing "Should I Stay Or Should I Go."

Later, yeah, but at the beginning I'd say the Clash were more pure R&B, early-Stones-worship than actual pop.

if you're going to utilize genre titles, or characterize certain sounds, then, yes, you have to be restrictive in sound. Otherwise, using your definition of "pop that's louder than the Beatles", New Kids On The Block is power pop. Everclear is power pop. Alejandro Escovido is power pop. Nope.

As for In Flames, I must have missed their climb to legendary status, the adoration of their song-writing by two generations of artists, and the avid, almost hero-worship following of their fans. But I compliment you for being outrageous.

Except that power pop is at the very least a rock genre, so NKOTB obviously wouldn't qualify, but if you wanted to claim that that was just being arbitrary, there's definitely some clubbier dance pop I get much the same thing I get from power pop.

And I honestly can't think of a single Everclear song, and don't even know who Alejandro Escovido is, so I couldn't tell you.

And In Flames have sold more albums than Big Star ever did. What's your point? Music is now objective?

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The Ramones are not Power Pop. Why? Cause they have a different approach and sound. Power Pop bands like Badfinger, Raspberries and Big Star used Power chords and they let them ring out. Johnny Ramone played fast with all downstrokes. He was formerly a bass player, and took the technique he used on bass and applied it to guitar.

And Anthrax aren't a thrash band cause they don't sound exactly like Slayer.

I guess you would consider Led Zeppelin "Death Metal" cause of D'yer Mak'Er and In My Time of Dying? And I guess any Opera song where someone dies is Death Metal. I guess The Band are Death Metal too cause Bo Jangle's dog up'd and died? That's how ridiculous your criteria is. :rolleyes:

Spidey's detector is pointing at your avatar.... so whatever.

It's cri-fucking-terion.

And New Kids sold more albums than In Flames ever will. Point? Don't know who Escovedo is? You should.


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Yes, yes, yes, spot on.

They are a thrash band because they play thrash, not because they sound like anything else, thrash or otherwise. That's the point, exactly.

Nails

Do you mean Basil C. Thurston nails it, or are you giving props to Nine Inch Nails as a "Power Pop" band by Batlord's measurements and standards?

^ I guess Powerviolence, and Grindcore are not good enough to describe them?

My point was that your point was pointless. Just because Big Star has a Big Following does not mean that In Flames can't have music as good or better than them. You just made the same point I did, so obviously we agree.

Nice.

I think the Ramones sound more like Big Star than Anthrax does Slayer. And yet one can be lumped in with the other without a second thought, while you fight tooth and nail to separate two bands that play relatively similar styles of music?

Sounds to me like you're buying into arbitrary genre labels. So far as I know, power pop was never a scene or movement. It was just a few bands that happened to have similar influences but without much other connection. At least Anthrax and Slayer were actually part of a movement. I honestly don't see why a genre label like power pop should be restrictive when it's not even really describing an actual genre in the first place.

If you apply Power Pop to anything and everything you feel like, then that's when it becomes arbitrary.

I don't think Basil was "fighting tooth and nail," and to assert that is poisoning the well.

It kind of is already an arbitrary genre label.

How about calling bands like Killswitch Enrage and Hammers Fall "Fabulous Metal"?

How about calling you "Alice"? Cause you're a girl.

Alice?

This is somewhere between Power Pop and a Fabulous Metal ballad.

NAZARETH " Hair Of The Dog " 1975

Another fine blend of Power Pop and Fabulous Metal.

I'm in the camp of people that always considered power pop a wide umbrella of stuff influenced by bands like The Beatles, The Beach Boys, Big Star, ELO, etc. There's a spectrum to it, but while you had The Police, Yes, The Outfield and Huey Lewis & The News in the 80's, Jellyfish were considered the premiere power pop group of the 90's. A lot of those influences have bled into the alternative rock & progressive rock world over time too, especially in recent years. :)