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bob_32_116 04-05-2016 10:55 AM

What's the oldest (recorded) music you own?
 
What the question says.

A clarification though: I am talking about the original date of recording and/or release of the music, not the date of composition. If you own a recording of a Beethoven symphony, the date in question is the date on which that particular orchestra's recording was released.

For re-releases, count the date of the first release. For example I own Sgt Pepper on CD, released 1987, but 1967 is the original release date.

The Beach Boys' SMiLE was recorded, mostly, in 1967, so that's the relevant date, even though those actual recordings were not released to the public until about 2010.

All clear? Go.

bob_32_116 04-05-2016 10:58 AM

In my own collection, the "father of the house" is "Sounds of Silence" by Simon and Garfunkel. Released in January 1966, it just pips at the post two others: "Sunshine Superman" by Donovan, and "Don't Be Concerned" by Bob Lind, which I have as part of a CD compilation. I used to have the vinyls as well, but those have long bitten the dust.

Frownland 04-05-2016 11:01 AM



Recorded in 1934, I have it on this compilation:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...hL._SY300_.jpg

I'm actually not sure if it's the oldest song on there, but it's the best one.

bob_32_116 04-05-2016 11:08 AM

^^ I'm impressed.

grindy 04-05-2016 11:23 AM

That would probably be recordings of the Original Dixieland Jass Band from 1917.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livery_Stable_Blues

bob_32_116 04-05-2016 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 1689495)
I have a recording of Au Claire de la Lune from 1860 that was recorded on a phonautographe.
There's also a remix album of this that was made about 6-8 years ago that's quite good!

Actually, I forgot, I have something from 1857 from Édouard-Léon Scott de Martinville
called Jeune Jouvencelle.

For a moment I was thinking of Claire de Lune, by Debussy. I was about to say that it had not even been composed in 1860.

Neapolitan 04-05-2016 12:55 PM

I have a recording of the planets released by NASA. Yes it might have been released on CD in the 90s, but the planets been singing the same old song for millions of years.

Frownland 04-05-2016 01:11 PM

It could be, but I know it's not because I own the planets, not Ne.

Neapolitan 04-05-2016 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 1689515)
Yes, but is this what the OP asked?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Believe it or not ... the outer planets specialize in experimental avant-garde electronica, have been doing so for millions of years.

Sounds of Jupiter

Neapolitan 04-05-2016 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 1689523)
I'm reading it like this:
Quote:

I am talking about the original date of recording and/or release of the music

I however was relying heavily on this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob_32_116 (Post 1689459)
The Beach Boys' SMiLE was recorded, mostly, in 1967, so that's the relevant date, even though those actual recordings were not released to the public until about 2010.

All clear? Go.

So that is why I choose NASA's sounds of the planets. My aunt owned a new-fangled contraption that played Edison Blue Amberols, and that is the oldest music I've heard. However in modern times, I have CD re-releases of Ukulele Ike and Mississippi John Hurt, so their stuff are among the oldest recording of music I own.

bob_32_116 04-05-2016 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 1689523)
I'm reading it like this:

Correct.

And also, "music" made by the planets (as opposed to music made by Gustav Holst) falls a bit into the category of "If a tree falls...". If you admit this, you would also have to include this, which is much older.... though not many people can actually hear it:

https://penningtonplanetarium.wordpr...nown-universe/

Frownland 04-05-2016 01:47 PM

Here's some video footage of the 1969 Apollo 10 astronauts hearing the noise.


Psy-Fi 04-05-2016 01:52 PM

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...psylk510ga.jpg
Various Artists - Them Dirty Blues (1989)

A five LP box set from Jass Records released in 1989 featuring various raunchy blues and jazz songs from the 1920's to the early 60's. The oldest song in the set is from 1924.

Them Dirty Blues - Various Artists | Songs, Reviews, Credits | AllMusic

Neapolitan 04-05-2016 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob_32_116 (Post 1689529)
Correct.

And also, "music" made by the planets (as opposed to music made by Gustav Holst) falls a bit into the category of "If a tree falls...". If you admit this, you would also have to include this, which is much older.... though not many people can actually hear it:

https://penningtonplanetarium.wordpr...nown-universe/

That is an apples to orange comparison. The sound of a tree falling in the wood produces a sound wave only lasting a few seconds. That is an infinitesimal amount of time compared to the planets which have been making experimental music for millions of years.

Frownland 04-05-2016 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1689540)
That is an apples to orange comparison. The sound of a tree falling in the wood produces a sound wave only lasting a few seconds. That is an infinitesimal amount of time compared to the planets which have been making experimental music for millions of years.

It's only experimental music to us. To the planets, their own noise is probably considered folk, while they consider the sounds of other planets to be world music.

Lu-Cuss 04-05-2016 03:44 PM

If I download a file with the recording Thomas Edison made of Au Clair De Lune on it then burn it to a CD can that count?

Black Francis 04-05-2016 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lu-Cuss (Post 1689561)
If I download a file with the recording Thomas Edison made of Au Clair De Lune on it then burn it to a CD can that count?

No cause you be doing it to impress a bunch of strangers on the internet not cause you like it.

HellCell 04-05-2016 04:19 PM

Little Drummer Boy (1958)

Oldest one I like:
Lady in Black by Uriah Heep (1971)

Frownland 04-05-2016 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1689566)
No cause you be doing it to impress a bunch of strangers on the internet not cause you like it.

I mean like, how can anyone own sound, man? Like, are we enslaving music, dude?

OccultHawk 04-05-2016 04:32 PM

The Bristol Sessions, I think.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 04-05-2016 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1689566)
No cause you be doing it to impress a bunch of strangers on the internet not cause you like it.

Isn't that why we're all here?

Black Francis 04-05-2016 05:00 PM

:p:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1689572)
I mean like, how can anyone own sound, man? Like, are we enslaving music, dude?

It's like hearing myself in the mirror.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/...20120103194301

Aloysius 04-05-2016 06:19 PM

This edition of cleaned up wax cylinder recordings of early flamenco:

https://www.elflamencovive.com/media.../1/3/13863.jpg

... and another similar edition of early flamenco specialising in forms of the Levante region (taranta, cartagenera, minera etc). In both cases the recordings are from 1890 - 1905, although many individual cylinders are undated. I've listened to earlier music recorded onto pianola, Scriabin playing some of his miniatures and Albeniz improvising, not sure of the dates though.

Neapolitan 04-05-2016 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1689532)
Here's some video footage of the 1969 Apollo 10 astronauts hearing the noise.


That is some scary ****.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aloysius (Post 1689613)
This edition of cleaned up wax cylinder recordings of early flamenco:

https://www.elflamencovive.com/media.../1/3/13863.jpg

... and another similar edition of early flamenco specialising in forms of the Levante region (taranta, cartagenera, minera etc). In both cases the recordings are from 1890 - 1905, although many individual cylinders are undated. I've listened to earlier music recorded onto pianola, Scriabin playing some of his miniatures and Albeniz improvising, not sure of the dates though.

The cover is misleading. The cover depicts Edison Blue Amberols, which were only in production from 1912 to 1929, and yet you say the recordings were from 1890 to 1905. Someone clearly made a mistake using that photo.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Do you get music from elflamencovive?

bob_32_116 04-05-2016 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1689573)
The Bristol Sessions, I think.

What are they?

OccultHawk 04-05-2016 11:47 PM

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_sessions

Chula Vista 04-06-2016 01:35 AM

Haven't read through the entire thread. Are we talking oldest music or oldest actual physical medium?

bob_32_116 04-06-2016 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1689653)
Haven't read through the entire thread. Are we talking oldest music or oldest actual physical medium?

It's all explained in the first post, though many people seem to have blithely ignored that. It's recorded music.

Also it was not intended to be a thread of "I've got Edison's original recording, so mine beats yours", but more wanting to know what the oldest recorded music is that you own because you like it and like to listen to it periodically.

bob_32_116 04-06-2016 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 1689657)
Yeah, weaving away from the topic happens here a lot. Frustratingly so.
I mentioned the Au Claire de la Lune recording because I got it at a time
when I was considering doing a remix of it for an upcoming release. The
1857 recording of Jeune Jouvencelle (as well as some others from this
time) have a experimental sound and an evocative nature that I like.
When you have a little song from around 1860 called Fly, Little Bee that
actually sounds like a fly and/or bee while that being an unintended result,
it adds a nice touch of sonic surrealism that enhances the experience.

I have no problem whatsoever with your mentioning those recording if you actually have them. To tell the truth, when I first read your post I wondered if you were just trying to pull our collective legs - another thing that seems to happen often on fora such as this.

Janszoon 04-06-2016 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1689541)
It's only experimental music to us. To the planets, their own noise is probably considered folk, while they consider the sounds of other planets to be world music.

No, it's all world music.

As far as the OP goes, I think the earliest recordings I own are on this klezmer comp, which has some tracks dating as far back as 1911:

http://joelrubinklezmer.com/wordpres...s-CD-cover.jpg

I have to look back through some of the really early stuff I own though, there might be something older.

Frownland 04-06-2016 06:19 AM

I just realized my own pun. I'm a comedic genius.

Aloysius 04-06-2016 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1689631)
The cover is misleading. The cover depicts Edison Blue Amberols, which were only in production from 1912 to 1929, and yet you say the recordings were from 1890 to 1905. Someone clearly made a mistake using that photo.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Do you get music from elflamencovive?

I hadn't noticed that, you're right I think they've just found a random photo for the cover. I do buy stuff from elflamencovive, although that collection I got from Spanish eBay. Rarer flamenco on vinyl I usually get from todocoleccion.com.

Janszoon 04-06-2016 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1689669)
I just realized my own pun. I'm a comedic genius.

No, I'm the genius.

Neapolitan 04-06-2016 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 1689657)
Yeah, weaving away from the topic happens here a lot. Frustratingly so.
I mentioned the Au Claire de la Lune recording because I got it at a time
when I was considering doing a remix of it for an upcoming release. The
1857 recording of Jeune Jouvencelle (as well as some others from this
time) have a experimental sound and an evocative nature that I like.
When you have a little song from around 1860 called Fly, Little Bee that
actually sounds like a fly and/or bee while that being an unintended result,
it adds a nice touch of sonic surrealism that enhances the experience.

I felt I was on point. I mentioned these before, but I'll post the videos in case my post was overlooked. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Mississippi John Hurt - Nobody's Dirty Business - (Recorded in Memphis, Tennessee, February 14th, 1928.)


Cliff Edwards - Thats My Weakness Now - (Recorded on December 7th, 1928)

ckyeung 04-08-2016 04:54 AM

What is means of oldest?
You mean I bought it from long time ago?
or The records released out long years ago?

Janszoon 04-08-2016 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckyeung (Post 1690086)
What is means of oldest?
You mean I bought it from long time ago?
or The records released out long years ago?

Read the OP.

Neapolitan 04-08-2016 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckyeung (Post 1690086)
What is means of oldest?
You mean I bought it from long time ago?
or The records released out long years ago?

Don't ask questions, just post what you think the OP meant. If you're right no one will respond to your post, but if wrong then I am sure people will respond to it, telling you how wrong you are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

bob_32_116 04-08-2016 09:43 AM

A modification I would like to see to the site software is to have an option when creating a new thread to make the first post "sticky" so that was always visible even when you were not on page 1 of the thread. It would probably not stop people blithely ignoring it, but at least they would not be able to claim "Oh I didn't realise the OP said that" as an excuse.

I did attempt to explain in the OP exactly what I was asking for, and I really don't think I can explain it any better without repeating myself. "Read the OP" as Janszoon says.

Paul Smeenus 04-08-2016 10:00 AM

n/m

bob_32_116 04-08-2016 10:44 AM

^^ Beautifully clever typesetting.


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