Assuming you mean "overt" and not "advert"...

There is no one definition for art. That's part of what makes it so glorious, or perhaps it is its glory that defies definition. But we can all agree that some art is better than others, though it is often a matter of taste. I guess if people enjoy propaganda, then even that an be artistic for them. Have you seen the North Koreans weep in raptures when they look on a painting of Dear Leader or hear his theme song?

Yep. There's a ton of great art that's propaganda, from Soviet poster art to the fire and brimstone triptychs of Heironymous Bosch to the imposing statuary of ancient Egypt. In fact, most classic art from antiquity is propaganda of one form or another.

Have you seen Christians weep in raptures when they see the Sistine Chaple or listen to Handel's Messiah?

Are you stalking me like Frownland now? Creep. Go back to the The Christianity Thread if you want to stalk me about your Jesus shit.

No need for the name calling buddy. I'm not stalking you, I've been posting in this thread since the first page. And I wasn't commenting on the validity of Christianity, I was talking about how much classic artwork is also propaganda by using examples I assumed you'd be familiar with.

All right. Whatever. You win. You and Frownland can do no wrong, constantly badgering and stalking me.

Wow, that's some serious paranoia there. There are very few active threads on MB so obviously people posting here will cross paths on more than one. I've also replied to Frownland in multiple threads, do you think that means I'm stalking him?

It's not just that...obviously. It's you jumping from one thread to another to dog me with your virulent objections to Christianity. If you're that obsessed with the religion, I suggest you look into it more. You know, it's okay to be gay these days. You don't have to hide it anymore. Same thing with your Christianity fetish.

I created that thread because I observed you MBers are always referencing (Not Your) Lord and Savior Jesus Christ all over the boards. You just can't keep it contained to one thread, can you?

Huh? I'm trying to have a conversation about propaganda as art. Nothing I've said in this thread has anything to do with any kind of objection to Christianity. I'm simply pointing out that most of the great artwork from most of human history is propaganda of one kind or another. In the west that means a huge percentage of it is Christian propaganda. I'm not saying that to disparage it, it simply is what it is. I still love a lot of it. When I saw La Sagrada Familia in person, for example, its beauty nearly bought tears to my eyes. Just last week I was lucky enough to get to see Bruegel's The Fall of the Rebel Angels in person and was absolutely blown away. Both are propaganda—and propaganda of an ideology I disagree with no less—but I still think they're amazing works of art.

:laughing: we're all just closet Christians, that must be why we disagree with mordwyr on Christianity: to cover our asses.

RATM and Public Enemy really pushed the rap thing with politics. Now we have Kanye West proclaiming to be the god of fashion.

i miss lowkey

That music just pisses me off. Lol.

Are you implying that he isn't? Cause he most definitely is.

Yeezus & MBDTF > everything RATM and Public Enemy have released

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, no.

Coming from the dude who doesn't realize how great TWBB is, I would expect that sort of response.

I'm not very impressed by mediocre things, guilty as charged.

Well then lower your standards you douche.

i agree to a certain extent

RATM are **** but public enemy have released some great stuff so

I'll try but I'm not sure I can ratchet them down low enough to think MBDTF is anything special.

I'd say Yeezus is better than RATM but MBDTF is the weakest of the bunch.

I agree. Yeezus is a decent album ruined by Kayne's input. RATM were ok but meh after a few songs. MBDTF is an episode of Glee.

I don't think you can describe the album better than that.

I think you're all wrong and if you refuse to accept Kanye West as your lord and saviour you're scum.



But seriously, I like a few Rage albums quite a bit, and Public Enemy are obviously incredibly influential, but Kanye started off making music that was way more fun than either group, then on MBDTF took on a brand new direction (which maybe you guys didn't like, fair enough, but you're wrong) and then on Yeezus he took things to a different level yet again. The reason why I can only listen to so much RATM or Public Enemy is that I almost feel as if they're doing the same thing, both song structure wise and lyrically on almost every track, Kanye at least makes a considerable effort to differentiate each project he drops.

Too bad that most of his fun and different direction music sucks.

Too bad you wouldn't know fun if it bit you on the tip of your foreskin.

Every Kayne album I've listened to was a chore to get through except Yeezus, and even that's not something I ever feel compelled to throw on.

Well of course I wouldn't, it's long gone. Why should I consider listening to boring music fun?

All of RATM may sound the same, but at least it's good. Kanye's music is so bad that I'd rather have hot wax shoved up my ass then listen to it.

Hot wax shoved up your ass then listen to it? I'd rather just endure Kayne minus the hot wax enema.

So like, is hot wax up the butt a good thing or no?

You tell me big boy.