Big Four Bands Thread Round 19: Gothic Rock

[grindy]

The term Krautrock is widely and freely used in Germany and I've never had the slightest indication that anyone is offended by it. Kraut also basically means 'weed' in German, which many people think is quite fitting for the genre.

Sincerely,

Someone who actually lives there

[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by grindy

The term Krautrock is widely and freely used in Germany and I've never had the slightest indication that anyone is offended by it. Kraut also basically means 'weed' in German, which many people think is quite fitting for the genre.

Sincerely,

Someone who actually lives there

Boom case closed. Can we stop the bickering and feigned outrage please and get back to voting?

I would vote but I don't really listen to Krautrock. I'm going to sample a few bands and choose from that selection.

[Neapolitan]

Originally Posted by grindy

The term Krautrock is widely and freely used in Germany and I've never had the slightest indication that anyone is offended by it. Kraut also basically means 'weed' in German, which many people think is quite fitting for the genre.

Sincerely,

Someone who actually lives there

well ...

The term "krauts" may be regarded as "light-hearted" by advertising watchdogs, but Germans said today that they find it offensive.

The Advertising Standards Authority this morning rejected complaints that the term was racist when used in a promotional leaflet timed to coincide with last month's crunch Germany-England World Cup qualifier.

The pamphlet from Manchester-based firm Dronco Abrasives featured a picture of soccer action and read: "The Krauts are coming ... with unbeatable quality," a reference to their German parent company.

The company said it believed krauts was a "humorous reference to German's alleged high consumption of Sauerkraut" and had no negative meaning, although it did agree to remove the word from future adverts.

In its ruling today, the ASA said the word krauts did portray German's negatively, but ruled it would be "generally understood as a light-hearted reference to a national stereotype and was unlikely to cause serious or widespread offence".

But staff at the German Embassy in London disagreed with the ASA decision, saying that most Germans would find the phrase offensive.

An Embassy spokeswoman said: "It is not a very nice name and it is certainly not nice to be called a name related to cabbage.

"I think over time the word has attracted very negative connotations, so most people would be offended by it."

And Cultural attache Tilman Hancker added: "Speaking personally I would be offended to be called it and I think most people would not find it a very nice name."

Read more: Germans get sour over 'Kraut' | Daily Mail Online
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[grindy]

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

well ...

1. Diplomats are paid to be offended.
2. Context.
3. Stop derailing the thtead.

[Neapolitan]

Originally Posted by grindy

1. Diplomats are paid to be offended.
2. Context.
3. Stop derailing the thtead.

I am not trying to derail the thread. The only ****ing context I know is that the closer you go back in history toward WWII the more the they were prejudice against Germans. If you are so worried about this thread than ****ing delete the shot Batloard said to me.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by grindy

1. Diplomats are paid to be offended.
2. Context.
3. Stop derailing the thtead.

Yeah, stop derailing the thtead.

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I am not trying to derail the thread. The only ****ing context I know is that the closer you go back in history toward WWII the more the they were prejudice against Germans. If you are so worried about this thread than ****ing delete the shot Batloard said to me.

Still whining?

[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I am not trying to derail the thread. The only ****ing context I know is that the closer you go back in history toward WWII the more the they were prejudice against Germans. If you are so worried about this thread than ****ing delete the shot Batloard said to me.

I hate to get all JGuy up in here but either vote or just don't come in this thread anymore til the genre changes since you are way too offended to even vote.

[Neapolitan]

Originally Posted by djchameleon

I hate to get all JGuy up in here but either vote or just don't come in this thread anymore til the genre changes since you are way too offended to even vote.

I just think it is a dumb name like "Twee" is a dumb name for a genre. It's not that I hate the Twee genre or I am offended by the name. It's almost the same for "*****rock" except that "Kraut" comes with baggage. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krautrock

As regards to it being highly offended, or is the term highly offensive, I am only acknowledging it can be offensive. I am not saying it is the worst derogatory in the world. I do take take in consideration there is a variance how offensive people see it. It's like Trollheart jokes, or when he use to speak like C. Montgomery Burns. Some people think his jokes and impersonations were funny, some people it's nonhumorous or unnecessary, and others are really bothered by his Mr Burns impersonation. I hope you understand the analogy.

The other problem with it is that it an umbrella term for German bands during 60s/70s regardless of their music style. To me it is a meaningless term. It can encompass bands that played in the style of Progressive Rock, Folk, Acid Folk, Experimental Rock, Experimental Electronica.

Kraftwerk, Bröselmachine, and Jane could technically pass as one genre? *****rock? So week after week people precisely discuss what bands are and are not in any given genre. They complain what bands should/shouldn't in a genre by how their music sounds, but once you step outside the Anglophonic world you can't tell the difference. Someone is singing in another language so the music sounds all the same. "When they sing in English I am ****ing genre mastermind, but wait a minute dawg they are singing in another language, I can't tell what their music is."

[Key]

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I just think it is a dumb name like "Twee" is a dumb name for a genre. It's not that I hate the Twee genre or I am offended by the name. It's almost the same for "*****rock" except that "Kraut" comes with baggage. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krautrock

As regards to it being highly offended, or is the term highly offensive, I am only acknowledging it can be offensive. I am not saying it is the worst derogatory in the world. I do take take in consideration there is a variance how offensive people see it. It's like Trollheart jokes, or when he use to speak like C. Montgomery Burns. Some people think his jokes and impersonations were funny, some people it's nonhumorous or unnecessary, and others are really bothered by his Mr Burns impersonation. I hope you understand the analogy.

The other problem with it is that it an umbrella term for German bands during 60s/70s regardless of their music style. To me it is a meaningless term. It can encompass bands that played in the style of Progressive Rock, Folk, Acid Folk, Experimental Rock, Experimental Electronica.

Kraftwerk, Bröselmachine, and Jane could technically pass as one genre? *****rock? So week after week people precisely discuss what bands are and are not in any given genre. They complain what bands should/shouldn't in a genre by how their music sounds, but once you step outside the Anglophonic world you can't tell the difference. Someone is singing in another language so the music sounds all the same. "When they sing in English I am ****ing genre mastermind, but wait a minute dawg they are singing in another language, I can't tell what their music is."

Nobody gives a **** anymore. Just leave the topic alone or gtfo.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I just think it is a dumb name like "Twee" is a dumb name for a genre. It's not that I hate the Twee genre or I am offended by the name. It's almost the same for "*****rock" except that "Kraut" comes with baggage. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krautrock

As regards to it being highly offended, or is the term highly offensive, I am only acknowledging it can be offensive. I am not saying it is the worst derogatory in the world. I do take take in consideration there is a variance how offensive people see it. It's like Trollheart jokes, or when he use to speak like C. Montgomery Burns. Some people think his jokes and impersonations were funny, some people it's nonhumorous or unnecessary, and others are really bothered by his Mr Burns impersonation. I hope you understand the analogy.

The other problem with it is that it an umbrella term for German bands during 60s/70s regardless of their music style. To me it is a meaningless term. It can encompass bands that played in the style of Progressive Rock, Folk, Acid Folk, Experimental Rock, Experimental Electronica.

Kraftwerk, Bröselmachine, and Jane could technically pass as one genre? *****rock? So week after week people precisely discuss what bands are and are not in any given genre. They complain what bands should/shouldn't in a genre by how their music sounds, but once you step outside the Anglophonic world you can't tell the difference. Someone is singing in another language so the music sounds all the same. "When they sing in English I am ****ing genre mastermind, but wait a minute dawg they are singing in another language, I can't tell what their music is."