1983-2000 Vs 2000-2017

OccultHawk · 06-05-2017, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Yeah I was thinking today that 00-10 in retrospect has a treasure trove of indie groups as well as our own version of 80's Floyd blockbuster in the form of Radiohead

Radiohead seems like an almost definitive example of one the first new era bands that managed to be great without offering anything new. Compared to Floyd who were extraordinarily groundbreaking.

**Frownland** · 06-05-2017, 04:57 PM

Lol good one.

OccultHawk · 06-05-2017, 05:04 PM

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Kid A onward is comparatively innovative to Floyd's 80's work

OK

If you're sticking to my 83-00 confinement then that's reasonable.

But if you're reaching beyond that and trying to compare where the two stack up in rock history all said in done I'm not even going to consider it.

OccultHawk · 06-05-2017, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

The Beatles are the only original rock band

I don't know if you're joking or not but besides the Chuck Berries I think you can defend that.

OccultHawk · 06-05-2017, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Oh well yeah 70's Floyd is different

But this is why I kind of reject the premise of the thread

By 83 the innovation you're thinking of mostly already happened!

I think you might be right. Then I think hip hop, drum and bass, house, jungle - not totally sure.

Justthefacts · 06-05-2017, 09:07 PM

The issue of Rolling Stone from January 2010 was the 50 best albums and songs of the decade and that issue changed my life as far as appreciating music more than the average listener and made me an enthusiast. I choose the 00's to now not because it's the era that exposed a lot to me but because the production of newer records from the past 20 years sound better to me than anything that came out in the 70's and 80's. Ignorant opinion, I understand. It ain't changing though.

**Frownland** · 06-05-2017, 09:12 PM

Nice.

The 21st century has certainly had some of the greatest music ever made, and that's a fact.

OccultHawk · 06-05-2017, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Justthefacts

The issue of Rolling Stone from January 2010 was the 50 best albums and songs of the decade and that issue changed my life as far as appreciating music more than the average listener and made me an enthusiast. I choose the 00's to now not because it's the era that exposed a lot to me but because the production of newer records from the past 20 years sound better to me than anything that came out in the 70's and 80's. Ignorant opinion, I understand. It ain't changing though.

Please name 5 of the records that sound the least like anything before 2000.

Neapolitan · 06-05-2017, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

The 17 year thing is just to use 2000 as an arbitrary round number cut off point.

You make a great case for the oldest 17 year set. It's also very interesting to consider the impact sampling has had on how people think of new music. It's also interesting to consider what Frown said about there being an actual physical scene as opposed to a more online less need for face-to-face experience. Maybe the less visceral online experience makes people less inclined to be a part of something they feel is revolutionary.

Thanks, I wanted to make even a greater case, but I didn't want to be too wordy about it.

Well I'm sure people who like EDM, dub step etc think they are part of something revolutionary (as far as music innovation goes), and they gather at clubs so there is still a social aspect to it too. There always been time where you listen to music on your own or with a crowd. What has change is the size of the band starting with big bands of the Jazz era to a five piece R&B band to fourrpiece Rock band etc etc then down to a single DJ. You loose that face-to-face when you loose the need for musicians.

I think the internet sorta reclaims listening to music being a social event. When people would listen to the radio or records/CDs own thier own, that kinda thing replaced music being a social event where you would gather at a dance and listen to music and socialize. Listening to recorded music is often times a solitary event, even now e.g. listen to music on your ipad with earbuds. Music forums and social music streaming website (e.g. plug.dj) get people socializing over music again. Still not quite the face-to-face experience though as a band and a live crowd.

Justthefacts · 06-05-2017, 10:52 PM

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audible laughter

I was 14 years old, give me a fucking break you fruit. Legitimately though, Radiohead, Wilco, White Stripes, The Strokes, The Flaming Lips, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Fiona Apple, Bright Eyes, TV On The Radio. That's a small fraction of what that issue exposed me too. Forever indebted to Rolling Stone

06-05-2017, 04:57 PM	#32 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Lol good one. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

06-05-2017, 09:12 PM	#37 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Nice. The 21st century has certainly had some of the greatest music ever made, and that's a fact. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x