What's the huge appeal of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band?

**Frownland** · 06-11-2017, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Spectralmusic

I don't know why you're trying to put words in my mouth. I'm not talking about "worthiness of analysis" either, everything can be analysed and things will be learned. There is a point as I've said where it becomes over-analysis, which happens often with the Beatles.

What does separating an artist from the fanbase have to do with this? was this about the Tool comment? because I further clarified that...

If you didn't mean that then you shouldn't have included it as response to my question about worthiness of analysis.

Also I brought up separating the fan base from the artist because you are continually using the fan base's attitude as evidence against the group.

Spectralmusic · 06-11-2017, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Also I brought up separating the fan base from the artist because you are continually using the fan base's attitude as evidence against the group.

It's not "evidence against", it's one of the critical points I'm trying to put forward.

There's the whole cultural thing, rock music was banned in many places in those years. They gained a certain notoriety in that respect overseas, they where the most well known pop band when rock music was finally being let off to pre-school, of course there is going to be some kind of sentimentality that people have with that, I get it.

People will inevitably want to look towards the Beatles for answers but in all actuality, within ten years of Sgt Pepper (as this thread is about) rock music had drastically changed, it wasn't quite the child it once was in those days and now barely resembling the 60s.

I bring up the over-analytical attitude people have because I have seriously come across some ****ing ridiculous **** in my Beatles adventures.

Only yesterday was Vista claiming that Taxman was the birth of punk

**Frownland** · 06-11-2017, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Spectralmusic

It's not "evidence against", it's one of the critical points I'm trying to put forward.

There's the whole cultural thing, rock music was banned in many places in those years. They gained a certain notoriety in that respect overseas, they where the most well known pop band when rock music was finally being let off to pre-school, of course there is going to be some kind of sentimentality that people have with that, I get it.

People will inevitably want to look towards the Beatles for answers but in all actuality, within ten years of Sgt Pepper (as this thread is about) rock music had drastically changed, it wasn't quite the child it once was in those days and now barely resembling the 60s.

I bring up the over-analytical attitude people have because I have seriously come across some ****ing ridiculous **** in my Beatles adventures.

Only yesterday was Vista claiming that Taxman was the birth of punk

I'm pretty sure you don't get it since you're letting overzealous fans overshadow any other point made in this thread.

Chula Vista · 06-11-2017, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Spectralmusic

Only yesterday was Vista claiming that Taxman was the birth of punk

At least be coherent. I said that Harrison's guitar solo was "punk like". Don't inflate my words to fit your narrative.

Trying to dismiss The Beatles is akin to trying to dismiss Coltrane, Davis, Williams, Jackson, Holly, Wilson, Brown, Wonder, and many others. Look up the word 'foundation'.

There's not a single rock or pop band post 1970 that wasn't heavily influenced, either directly, or indirectly by The Beatles. Even all of the extreme metal that came decades later benifited from the trickle down affect of their influence.

The Identity Matrix · 06-11-2017, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

At least be coherent. I said that Harrison's guitar solo was "punk like". Don't inflate my words to fit your narrative.

Trying to dismiss The Beatles is akin to trying to dismiss Coltrane, Davis, Williams, Jackson, Holly, Wilson, Brown, Wonder, and many others. Look up the word 'foundation'.

There's not a single rock or pop band post 1970 that wasn't heavily influenced, either directly, or indirectly by The Beatles. Even all of the extreme metal that came decades later benifited from the trickle down affect of their influence.

Careful....

**Frownland** · 06-11-2017, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Identity Matrix

Careful....

He's not wrong but he's not right either.

Chula Vista · 06-11-2017, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Identity Matrix

Careful....

Their melodic and harmonic influence is everywhere today. Doesn't matter how much distortion you add to your guitar or how much cookie monster you add to your vocals.

And lets not forget the brilliance of George Martin and Geoff Emerick, and how they influenced how music can "sound" and be "seasoned" on vinyl.

The Identity Matrix · 06-11-2017, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Their melodic and harmonic influence is everywhere today. Doesn't matter how much distortion you add to your guitar or how much cookie monster you add to your vocals.

And lets not forget the brilliance of George Martin and Geoff Emerick, and how they influenced how music can "sound" and be "seasoned" on vinyl.

Careful...

Chula Vista · 06-11-2017, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

but is the music any good

Taste is objective. Influence is not. There's been hundreds, if not thousands of successful musicians/bands who have pointed to The Beatles as a major influence. So, some of the music you get off on is directly, or indirectly (I hate being redundant) because of The Beatles.

It's kinda stupid to argue with reality.

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Robert Greenfield compared the Beatles to Picasso, as "artists who broke through the constraints of their time period to come up with something that was unique and original ... [I]n the form of popular music, no one will ever be more revolutionary, more creative and more distinctive ..." The British poet Philip Larkin described their work as "an enchanting and intoxicating hybrid of Negro rock-and-roĺl with their own adolescent romanticism", and "the first advance in popular music since the War". They not only sparked the British Invasion of the US, they became a globally influential phenomenon as well. From the 1920s, the United States had dominated popular entertainment culture throughout much of the world, via Hollywood movies, jazz, the music of Broadway and Tin Pan Alley and, later, the rock and roll that first emerged in Memphis, Tennessee. The Beatles are regarded as British cultural icons, with young adults from abroad naming the band among a group of people that they most associated with UK culture.

Their musical innovations and commercial success inspired musicians worldwide. Many artists have acknowledged the Beatles' influence and enjoyed chart success with covers of their songs. On radio, their arrival marked the beginning of a new era; in 1968 the programme director of New York's WABC radio station forbade his DJs from playing any "pre-Beatles" music, marking the defining line of what would be considered oldies on American radio. They helped to redefine the album as something more than just a few hits padded out with "filler", and they were primary innovators of the modern music video. The Shea Stadium show with which they opened their 1965 North American tour attracted an estimated 55,600 people, then the largest audience in concert history; Spitz describes the event as a "major breakthrough ... a giant step toward reshaping the concert business". Emulation of their clothing and especially their hairstyles, which became a mark of rebellion, had a global impact on fashion.

According to Gould, the Beatles changed the way people listened to popular music and experienced its role in their lives. From what began as the Beatlemania fad, the group's popularity grew into what was seen as an embodiment of sociocultural movements of the decade. As icons of the 1960s counterculture, Gould continues, they became a catalyst for bohemianism and activism in various social and political arenas, fuelling movements such as women's liberation, gay liberation and environmentalism. According to Peter Lavezzoli, after the "more popular than Jesus" controversy in 1966, the Beatles felt considerable pressure to say the right things and "began a concerted effort to spread a message of wisdom and higher consciousness".

**Exo** · 06-11-2017, 11:20 PM

I always tell people to let people enjoy things.

Chula needs to let people not like things.

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