What's the huge appeal of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band?

Spectralmusic · 06-11-2017, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Would you say that both artists are similarly worthy of analysis (including extramusical things such as influence)?

Yes of course but there is always that line where the over-zealous worship takes over and you start analyzing what you want to see in it

Spectralmusic · 06-11-2017, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Not gods or particularly innovative though.

(Irrelevant to Sgt Pepper, but) Tool do have a unique sound/style, even if they took a lot of cues from King Crimson's poly-rhythms

The Identity Matrix · 06-11-2017, 09:53 PM

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I was just trying to help you understand how much easier it is to flippantly define a career when you don't like the career in question.

Yeah I get it...

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I use hyperbole a lot but my point isn't even anything against drugs.

1. People see too much into the Beatles and their place in the history of rock and music in general (as a classical fan too, I also believe the same of Mozart and Beethoven but that's another discussion)
2. Yes it is my opinion which I'm entitled to. The style, sound and songwriting of their music is just not as great as numerous other bands around the same time.
3. I think their acclaim comes more from the fact that they are the most well known and publicized band in the existence of rock, pop, post-blues/R&B, which gives them more god-like praise for innovations that we're already done before them but made them "notable" because of their said popularity
4. Yes, I like A day in the Life, it's good for what it is.

5. Probably other points too

I'm not in an angry mood, so I haven't prepped myself to make a full 15 points but hey

I agree that sometimes the fans of certain groups tend to read into meaning that simply isn't there. Sometimes a tree in the middle of a field is simply a tree in the middle of a field.

However, what other bands really did what the Beatles did? No other band brought psych pop into the mainstream quite like the Beatles did. Its not a matter of how good or "innovative" the music is, but rather the album's place in history and how it shaped mainstream music to come.

**Frownland** · 06-11-2017, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Spectralmusic

Yes of course but there is always that line where the over-zealous worship takes over and you start analyzing what you want to see in it

RIP your credibility for thinking that a band with significant impact is as worthy of analysis as a much newer artist whose influence is limited to the dying niche it finds itself in. Also equating worthiness of analysis with quality of analysis is some tsk tsk business my man.

Also check out all of my posts I made towards OH about separating an artist from its fan base, because it looks like you are the person it was meant for.

The Identity Matrix · 06-11-2017, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Feel like point is being missed

A band that brings something into the mainstream may not even be good

Correct.... Not exactly the case with this album, but for sure, take nu-metal for instance.

**Frownland** · 06-11-2017, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Feel like point is being missed

A band that brings something into the mainstream may not even be good

Hella this.

Chula Vista · 06-11-2017, 10:07 PM

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Btw Taxman is rich **** face rockstar complaining about taxes like wtf I thought Love is all you need

No, it's about the British government implementing this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_tax

Exile on Main Street was the Stones escaping the ridiculous tax rate and staying in Paris.

Zeppelin had to constantly monitor how much they stayed at home to avoid getting tax raped. When Robert Plant got royally messed up in a car accident he ended up recupperating in LA because of tax reasons.

How'd you feel if you were successful and your goverment decided to take 65% of your income?

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subpar crap these drugged up Brits wrote

Please tell me you were almost blackout drunk when you typed these words.

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Sorry you can't get behind Tool as an okay group instead of the reactionary ish about them being the worst because so many teenagers ride their dicks like rollercoasters.

I honestly think it's akin to Chula shrieking about 4'33".

Firstly, before Tool, became TOOL, their first album was groundbreaking at the time, as was their first video. It's unfortunate that they really didn't expand from that.

Secondly, we're discussing music, not art. So keep 4'33" out of it. And I never shriek. I yell, scream, growl, and bellow, but never shriek.

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Originally Posted by Spectralmusic

1. People see too much into the Beatles and their place in the history of rock and music in general

Please tell me you were almost blackout drunk when you typed these words.

**Frownland** · 06-11-2017, 10:09 PM

Thanks for proving my 4'33" analogy, even if you didn't realize it.

Also those tax points are not gonna sway elph in the slightest or even disprove his point about rich tax dodgers.

Spectralmusic · 06-11-2017, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Please tell me you were almost blackout drunk when you typed these words.

Yep, I don't agree with the popular opinion

Spectralmusic · 06-11-2017, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

RIP your credibility for thinking that a band with significant impact is as worthy of analysis as a much newer artist whose influence is limited to the dying niche it finds itself in. Also equating worthiness of analysis with quality of analysis is some tsk tsk business my man.

Also check out all of my posts I made towards OH about separating an artist from its fan base, because it looks like you are the person it was meant for.

I don't know why you're trying to put words in my mouth. I'm not talking about "worthiness of analysis" either, everything can be analysed and things will be learned. There is a point as I've said where it becomes over-analysis, which happens often with the Beatles.

What does separating an artist from the fanbase have to do with this? was this about the Tool comment? because I further clarified that...

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