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RJDG14 06-07-2017 02:17 PM

What's the huge appeal of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band?
 
Sorry if I sound like I'm being my usual critical self, but something I really want to know is why many regard The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band as one of the best albums of all time, because I gave it a listen and didn't like any of the songs on it :( . Other bands from the 60s/early 70s have done songs I like, such as September Gurls by Big Star, Badge by Cream, Tangerine by Led Zeppelin and Cinnamon Girl by Neil Young, but Sgt. Pepper does nothing for me.

Assuming that a large proportion of the community here are fans of The Beatles, can you give examples of chord progression that you like in songs on Sgt. Pepper and also try and justify the reason why it was so popular, when I regard it as one of my least favourite popular albums of that era.

Frownland 06-07-2017 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RJDG14 (Post 1843465)
Assuming that a large proportion of the community here are fans of The Beatles,

Bad assumption. We have fans here but the majority of us talk a little dookie on The Beatles.

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can you give examples of chord progression that you like in songs on Sgt. Pepper and also try and justify the reason why it was so popular, when I regard it as one of my least favourite popular albums of that era.
Consider the time of its release and what the music world was like around it. It brought together psychedelic music and pop music in a way that was pretty much unparalleled at the time and brought psych even further into the public consciousness.

Musically I like it because it's catchy and nice. It's also composed with a really sound logic between how the lyrics and music progress. And the production sounds great to this day (probably because of how much The Beatles set the ground in the world of producing). There's lots of other reasons but I do think that it's overrated as **** can be and there's no need to force yourself to like it so long as you can understand the impact the album had.

RJDG14 06-07-2017 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1843467)
Bad assumption. We have fans here but the majority of us talk a little dookie on The Beatles.



Consider the time of its release and what the music world was like around it. It brought together psychedelic music and pop music in a way that was pretty much unparalleled at the time and brought psych even further into the public consciousness.

Musically I like it because it's catchy and nice. It's also composed with a really sound logic between how the lyrics and music progress. And the production sounds great to this day (probably because of how much The Beatles set the ground in the world of producing). There's lots of other reasons but I do think that it's overrated as **** can be and there's no need to force yourself to like it so long as you can understand the impact the album had.

In what way is it catchy? There are no hooks or chord progressions that I remember easily.

Frownland 06-07-2017 03:26 PM

Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite gets stuck in my head pretty easily.

I'd like to see what your thoughts on the album would be after returning to it, maybe after a break in time.

Zer0 06-07-2017 03:30 PM

Sgt. Pepper's is obviously a sexist album which puts women in their place.

Against “Sgt. Pepper”: The Beatles classic made pop seem male, nerdy and “important” — and that wasn’t a good thing - Salon.com

Frownland 06-07-2017 03:31 PM

Teenage girls must stay in the home!

OccultHawk 06-07-2017 04:04 PM

The idea that a rock record could be a cohesive work of art instead of a collection of singles begins here. To question its significance is akin to asking what the significance of the novel is to literature.

OccultHawk 06-07-2017 04:20 PM

A Day in the Life is one of my all time favorite songs.

Trollheart 06-08-2017 04:03 PM

One of the first proper concept albums, and also has been claimed as one of the first true progressive rock albums. There are two reasons to hate it. ;)

Akai 06-08-2017 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1843916)
One of the first proper concept albums, and also has been claimed as one of the first true progressive rock albums. There are two reasons to hate it. ;)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...reakOut%21.jpg

The Brain Police need a word sir

The Identity Matrix 06-08-2017 06:35 PM

I remember getting it on the remastered CD for christmas in like '09 or '10. Still holds up for me to this day. The Beatles were one of the first bands that I really dove deep into. I'm not really able to comment on its significance when it was first released but for me now it is a solid part of my childhood.

Trollheart 06-08-2017 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggy ''Frappanised'' Zappada (Post 1843967)

Didn't say it was the first. Just one of the first. Moody Blues are up there too. Hell., Sinatra's In the Wee Small Hours has been touted as a candidate too...

Trollheart 06-08-2017 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Identity Matrix (Post 1843985)
I remember getting it on the remastered CD for christmas in like '09 or '10. Still holds up for me to this day. The Beatles were one of the first bands that I really dove deep into. I'm not really able to comment on its significance when it was fist released but for me now it is a solid part of my childhood.

Was this some sixties way of promoting albums? You buy one, they punch you in the face? :laughing:

Spectralmusic 06-08-2017 11:52 PM

To put Sgt Pepper into context, the following albums came out the same year:

Frank Zappa - Absolutely Free
Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced?
The Doors - The Doors
Pink Floyd - Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico
Procol Harum - Procol Harum


The Beatles where so "ahead of their time" and revolutionary right? :rofl: :rofl: :tramp:

The Identity Matrix 06-09-2017 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Spectralmusic (Post 1844061)
To put Sgt Pepper into context, the following albums came out the same year:

Frank Zappa - Absolutely Free
Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced?
The Doors - The Doors
Pink Floyd - Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico
Procol Harum - Procol Harum


The Beatles where so "ahead of their time" and revolutionary right? :rofl: :rofl: :tramp:

I mean, they kind of were. You just listed off a couple of other albums that were as well. I still find Sgt. Peppers to be more engaging and interesting than Both Piper and The Doors. But I can't knock those albums either.

RB17 06-09-2017 03:54 AM

It's catchy and psychedelic, personally I'd love if more of the mainstream pop music was this heavy on LSD.

OccultHawk 06-09-2017 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Spectralmusic (Post 1844061)
To put Sgt Pepper into context, the following albums came out the same year:

Frank Zappa - Absolutely Free
Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced?
The Doors - The Doors
Pink Floyd - Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico
Procol Harum - Procol Harum


The Beatles where so "ahead of their time" and revolutionary right? :rofl: :rofl: :tramp:

Those albums are good and push boundaries in different ways but none of them come close to having the positive effect on pop music for forever. The Beatles were far ahead of any of those bands. Part of being revolutionary is having a revolution, not just wanting one.

JasmineOrchid 06-09-2017 06:40 AM

I was never a fan of that particular album from the Beatles. It is kind of catchy though and I think generally it was a turn in a newer direction for music. Of course, I am more a "buy a hits album from the Beatles and you will have the valuable songs" considering there is only a few songs from each album I do like. Let It Be and Eleanor Rigby will always be my favorites.

Chula Vista 06-09-2017 12:51 PM

1967 - half a century ago.

Just listen.


Frownland 06-09-2017 12:56 PM

Pierre Schaeffer would like a word.

Chula Vista 06-09-2017 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1844199)
Pierre Schaeffer would like a word.

Ya, cause Goeff Emerick and George Martin were simply rip off artists.

Please.

Everything today has borrowed from yesterday. Don't make it a diss.

Although, I'm not sure who was the first to attack a guitar with a skewer......

Frownland 06-09-2017 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1844203)
Ya, cause Goeff Emerick and George Martin were simply rip off artists.

That's the idea and obviously exactly how I feel, you nailed it.

Or maybe I'm just saying that the studio tricks they were doing had already been done by the 40s, which makes the 1967 tag less impressive. "Not first" is actually not even an insult, it's just kind of a fact.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1844203)
Although, I'm not sure who was the first to attack a guitar with a skewer......

I don't know who was the first to prepare the guitar, but I do know that Keith Rowe was a big innovator in that respect. If you want to go further back to just preparing (or as you say, attacking) instruments, it dates back to John Cage and Henry Cowell.

Frownland 06-09-2017 01:26 PM

Found a pre-Rowe fella

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Fongaard

Chula Vista 06-09-2017 01:44 PM

You are a dullard if you are trying to discount Sgt. Peppers in any way shape or form.

Maybe you should just go and put 4'33 on a loop and listen to it for a few hours.

Frownland: "Beethoven's Symphony #5 is devirative".

Stop. Just stop.

Frownland 06-09-2017 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1844210)
You are a dullard if you are trying to discount Sgt. Peppers in any way shape or form.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1844204)
"Not first" is actually not even an insult, it's just kind of a fact.

Take a step back, forget that I supposedly knocked the golden gods (even though I was literally the first to defend it in this thread), and think about it for a second.

Chula Vista 06-09-2017 01:52 PM

Did I say "FIRST"?

Did I say "FIRST"?

Did I say "FIRST"?

Did I say "FIRST"?

Did I say "FIRST"?

Did I say "FIRST"?

Stop. Just stop you. I just asked the OP to listen to "A Day in the Life"

Another instance where you try to fit me into your boring narrative.

Frownland 06-09-2017 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1844212)
Did I say "FIRST"?

Yes.

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Did I say "FIRST"?
Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Stop. Just stop you. I just asked the OP to listen to "A Day in the Life"

Another instance where you try to fit me into your boring narrative.
You plopped yourself right into with the rip off comment and the "you can never discount Sgt. Pepper's in any way" bit. Is it an insult to The Beatles if I say that they weren't the first to use a guitar in their music? I recommend taking your own advice.

OccultHawk 06-09-2017 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1843501)
A Day in the Life is one of my all time favorite songs.

I got your back here Chula

It's awe inspiring. Looking for some petty way to diminish it shows you're still not ready for it. It's that great. It's not open to deification. It's been a God since the day it was released.

Frownland 06-09-2017 03:14 PM

lulz the old farts think I don't like A Day in the Life or that it not being the starting point of musique concrete is a negative thing.

OccultHawk 06-09-2017 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1844238)
lulz the old farts think I don't like A Day in the Life or that it not being the starting point of musique concrete is a negative thing.

There's no reason to point that out. Especially not in a snarky comment. I respect you but you're not in a place where you can lecture me on early electronic music.

Mondo Bungle 06-09-2017 03:20 PM

catchy/good music is appealing :0

Frownland 06-09-2017 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1844243)
There's no reason to point that out. Especially not in a snarky comment. I respect you but you're not in a place where you can lecture me on early electronic music.

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/c...41~mv2.jpg_256

Everything is open to comment. Even "critical" ones.

Let me know what you want me to say and I'll put it in my posts. Here's a guess: "The Beatles did not invent musique concrete, so everything else they did does not count." Am I close? Is that what you want to argue against instead of my original point? As a mod, I'm here for you.

Mondo Bungle 06-09-2017 03:31 PM

I believe they were the first ones to have sitar in their music

OccultHawk 06-09-2017 03:35 PM

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You are a dullard if you are trying to discount Sgt. Peppers in any way shape or form.
This

Frownland 06-09-2017 03:36 PM

Better than being dumb enough to think that not inventing a genre/musical approach is discounting the band in any way. Or actually thinking that an album can be untouchable just because it's important to you. At the end of the day we're all just a flock of morons I guess.

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle (Post 1844247)
I believe they were the first ones to have sitar in their music

They were the first to culturally appropriate the sitar, which is why I don't like them because racists suck.

People really think like this.

The Batlord 06-09-2017 04:11 PM

Frown v. Chula has been kind of quiet recently. Glad to see them together again.

OccultHawk 06-09-2017 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1844255)
Frown v. Chula has been kind of quiet recently. Glad to see them together again.

Frown's gettin' too big for his britches.

Spectralmusic 06-09-2017 04:21 PM

Lol, the Beatles is subject to criticism as much as anyone else.

I always find it amusing that Zappa's Freak Out was a large influence on Sgt Pepper, yet Sgt Pepper still gets all the credit.


Yes, A Day in the Life is a great track but it's not like a certain rock musician* hadn't already used an orchestra before (and was about to release a full-on orchestra/band/Musique concrete collage album). That orchestra part isn't original either but it makes for the Beatles 2nd best song (firstly being the Stockhausen knock off Revolution 9)

Frownland 06-09-2017 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Spectralmusic (Post 1844262)
Lol, the Beatles is subject to criticism as much as anyone else.

I always find it amusing that Zappa's Freak Out was a large influence on Sgt Pepper, yet Sgt Pepper still gets all the credit.


Yes, A Day in the Life is a great track but it's not like a certain rock musician* hadn't already used an orchestra before (and was about to release a full-on orchestra/band/Musique concrete collage album). That orchestra part isn't original either but it makes for the Beatles 2nd best song (firstly being the Stockhausen knock off Revolution 9)

Revolution 9 sucks and they get the credit for bringing psychedelica to the mainstream for doing just that. Zappa got on the radio but had nowhere near Beatles status. That's why you can point to this album as the last section of the fuse that kicked off the psychedelic explosion.

RB17 06-09-2017 04:38 PM

But what if they aren't the first ones to do anythig? I mean them being first or second or third to do such or such or whatever doesn't change their music, why even bother pointing that out? Just listen to the **** and like it or don't.


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