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Old 08-07-2017, 04:59 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The first RTJ album just resonated with me more. I kind of thought it was supposed to be a one off joke album, released as kind of a parody of the summer jam album. I definitely do agree with you about them possibly sounding dated, but I'm curious if the same can be said for Death Grips.
I've wondered about DG myself and never came to any kind of firm conclusion. It's easy to say that they're a product of their times--and they might be--because of the manner that they blew up in, but that's not really the same as sounding dated. Outside of noisiness that could be attributed to other influences, the chaos in their music didn't really dissipate into the hip hop realm in a way that can be directly linked to them. I kind of feel like they've already become dated in some ways, but it could be more of a stylistic rut. I don't know if any datedness when it comes to their sound will come from other artists taking and improving on their ideas or if it's just because they're Death Grips and they saturated the scene. Only time will tell how it goes I guess.
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Old 08-07-2017, 05:06 PM   #12 (permalink)
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How much time has to pass before a record can be declared a classic?
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Old 08-07-2017, 05:08 PM   #13 (permalink)
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1 day, five centuries, until a significant contributor to that album dies, etc.

This thread is more about predictions and how we define classics anyways.
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Now that's what I call an unpopular opinion. I think you could package the first three albums as a classic bundle though, because they left a big mark on the hip hop world. However, I can't help listening to them and thinking that they're going to sound hella dated in ten years (despite how much I love em).
I don't think dated so much as they're a collection of pretty great singles and pretty good singles from a guy who's had more groundbreaking work and a guy who's good but the world wouldn't have missed had he never been in RTJ. They'll eventually be beloved El-P fan secondary albums basically.
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Well Kanye's sorry **** is going to fade fast because it's ****ing boring.
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Well Kanye's sorry **** is going to fade fast because it's ****ing boring.
As a mild fan of some Kanye I kinda agree. He's got some **** worth remembering but in general I think he'll be regarded as highly overrated five years from when the general public decide he's past his prime. Like Poison basically.
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Old 08-07-2017, 05:47 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I don't think dated so much as they're a collection of pretty great singles and pretty good singles from a guy who's had more groundbreaking work and a guy who's good but the world wouldn't have missed had he never been in RTJ. They'll eventually be beloved El-P fan secondary albums basically.
Possibly. I think it has a far larger audience than either of the two that will maintain its position as a classic.
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Run the Jewels
El-P
Killer Mike

That **** is so far from revolutionary I don't even want to talk about it.

It's not bad but that level? No ****ing way.
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Old 08-07-2017, 06:11 PM   #19 (permalink)
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That **** is so far from revolutionary I don't even want to talk about it.
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Plus classic isn't always synonymous with revolutionary or innovative. I still say that RTJ is the mainstay unless El-P's future solo stuff takes off.
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I thought we weren't defining classic
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