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The Batlord 08-27-2017 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1867906)
I've just seen her categorized as hip hop many times, but every site might have it's own opinion about an artist. I often disagree with Allmusic's categorizations, for example, even if if they're sort of the IMDB of music.

The basic template of hip hop is just incredibly dull to me: Looped beats with mostly rhythmically oriented vocals tracks on top. Often very little in the way of key changes or any notable chord changes. Low on melody too, although it can appear. When hip hop gets a bit more interesting, it's usually through vocal manipulation and weirder sampling. The problem is that soundscapes, beats and lyrics aren't what I love about music. I'm very big on melody, chord structures, key changes, forward moving song structures... exactly the things hip hop mostly ignores.
I generally agree to an extent, which is why I don't listen to hip hop that often. I guess I'd suggest Boom Bip & Dose One's Circle, since it's very different from that formula, to an extent I've really never heard in hip hop, but I'm dubious that it's different in a way that will appeal to you, as it's rather avant garde and obtuse. Still, you should hear it. It'll at least open your mind to the idea that hip hop doesn't have to be what you think it is.

Trollheart 08-27-2017 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867913)
I generally agree to an extent, which is why I don't listen to hip hop that often. I guess I'd suggest Boom Bip & Dose One's Circle, since it's very different from that formula, to an extent I've really never heard in hip hop, but I'm dubious that it's different in a way that will appeal to you, as it's rather avant garde and obtuse. Still, you should hear it. It'll at least open your mind to the idea that hip hop doesn't have to be what you think it is.
You should rec him that Bones Thug thing we were talking about earlier, too.

The Batlord 08-27-2017 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1867914)
You should rec him that Bones Thug thing we were talking about earlier, too.
True. He might actually dig that. It's easily a fav hip hop album for me, with some great and natural combinations of singing and rapping.



Honestly though I just want to see TH review Boom Bip & Dose One.

Trollheart 08-27-2017 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867917)
True. He might actually dig that. It's easily a fav hip hop album for me, with some great and natural combinations of singing and rapping.



Honestly though I just want to see TH review Boom Bip & Dose One.
My reviewing days are over.

The Batlord 08-27-2017 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1867926)
My reviewing days are over.
If you make an exception for Boom Bip & Dose One I'll take your sister off your hands. She likes death metal, right?

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 08-27-2017 01:56 PM
i remember kinda digging circle when Frown rec'd it to me but i'll be damned coming back to it now this thing is actually hard as ****

The Batlord 08-27-2017 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1867931)
i remember kinda digging circle when Frown rec'd it to me but i'll be damned coming back to it now this thing is actually hard as ****
Really? I worried about the same thing, but coming back to it now sober it's still fun as ****. I understand how some of the spoken word, non-song bits might be boring, but in general it's highly hard to dislike. I don't even "get it". But I'm kind of used to listening to "hard to get" albums and maybe finding a way to like them anyway cause you don't necessarily need to be musically literate to like musically literate music.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 08-27-2017 02:13 PM
oh i meant hard as **** as in this thing goes hard as ****. it was a good thing.

it was kinda dope before but now it's hella uber white race caliber dope

The Batlord 08-27-2017 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1867934)
oh i meant hard as **** as in this thing goes hard as ****. it was a good thing.

it was kinda dope before but now it's hella uber white race caliber dope
Oh hell yeah, I'm snooted again and hyped for a replay of this album. In process btw.

I feel like Doseone always adapts with the song and never imposes himself on the song. So it somehow is not ambient, but because the flow and lyrics are so seamless yet jarring... I forget, but this **** is smooth as ****. God this is good.



I don't even know what this is and that's awesome and this is bizarre and amazing. I want more hip hop that can be this wild. That's why instrumental hip hop can be better than regular hip hop.



Edit: OMG I might have to change my avatar cause I don't want to see Dr. Phil talk about hip hop.

MicShazam 08-27-2017 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867917)
True. He might actually dig that. It's easily a fav hip hop album for me, with some great and natural combinations of singing and rapping.
Honestly, that Boom Bip & Dose One thing was more fun to listen through than I expected it would be. I'm checking out the other one too sometime later.

Trollheart 08-27-2017 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867928)
If you make an exception for Boom Bip & Dose One I'll take your sister off your hands. She likes death metal, right?
Sorry, no exceptions. That door is closed and I've lost the key. Or maybe swallowed it. And no, she hates most metal, other than Maiden. She's more into Queen and Bon Jovi. Still want her? ;)

Trollheart 08-27-2017 02:56 PM
Leave it to Urban to make the point clearer and better than I ever could.

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ? (Post 533657)

Someone mentioned earlier they didn't think much to the Flaming Lips 80s output , I happen to like that stuff more than the stuff they do now but I didn't feel the need to tell this person they were wrong or whatever because it won't change a thing and it doesn't lessen my enjoyment of it.

The Batlord 08-27-2017 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1867943)
Sorry, no exceptions. That door is closed and I've lost the key. Or maybe swallowed it. And no, she hates most metal, other than Maiden. She's more into Queen and Bon Jovi. Still want her? ;)
Every other Sunday and you pay for my Amazon purchases once a month.

DriveYourCarDownToTheSea 08-27-2017 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1867779)
Or 20k. Melody goes beyond vocals you know. And rapped vocals can melodic too.

Now you know as well as I that songs like that are the exception rather than the rule.

DriveYourCarDownToTheSea 08-27-2017 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1867789)
Since you have basically written off rap music. You don't know this but there are rappers doing the whole rap then sing thing within the same song.

Or just straight up singing.
I don't even consider that to be rap. It's more like a gospel tune.

Neapolitan 08-27-2017 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1867789)
Since you have basically written off rap music. You don't know this but there are rappers doing the whole rap then sing thing within the same song.

Or just straight up singing.
Just because "Rapper" is in his name doesn't mean everything he does is rap. That is more like a R&B tune by a 70s singer/songwriter than it is rapping or "gospel."

Del the Funky Homosapien was a bit melodic in his delivery. He didn't speak the words.

djchameleon 08-27-2017 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1867971)
Just because "Rapper" is in his name doesn't mean everything he does is rap. That is more like a R&B tune by a 70s singer/songwriter than it is rapping or "gospel."

Del the Funky Homosapien was a bit melodic in his delivery. He didn't speak the words.
It still fit my point about rappers doing some singing along with rapping. I just didn't feel like posting a video from Drake or Childish Gambino and went with Chance. There are others as well but he fit my point.

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Originally Posted by DriveYourCarDownToTheSea (Post 1867964)
I don't even consider that to be rap. It's more like a gospel tune.
that's fine that you don't consider it rap but it was included on the an album that won Best Rap Album at the Grammys last year.

Frownland 08-27-2017 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1867899)
I'm just explaining why I dig Zep and don't dig The Dead.
Oh and here I thought your post was about Pink Floyd. Thanks for elaborating!

Lisnaholic 08-27-2017 05:12 PM
My take on The Grateful Dead is that their vocalists were too weak, and yes, their instrumental interludes were often rambling affairs that could've done with more power and more musical ideas. But let's not forget that a lot of their albums were live - exploring what happens when audience and artist alike are hallucinating a mile a minute on LSD etc. In some ways, those albums are more like "you-had-to-be-there" documentary evidence.

There's just one (studio) album I'd strongly recommend; on American Beauty everything fell into place as never before or since. A great album in and of itself, it also works as a gentle, sympathetic guide to bring you back from the pyschedelic outer limits of your own skull:-

Frownland 08-27-2017 05:43 PM
I like Grayfolded. It's a plunderphonics record that uses Dark Star recordings.

Lisnaholic 08-27-2017 05:58 PM
^ Great! I read a newspaper review of this album when it came out, but I never saw it in a record shop, and not remembering the title, I never came across it in the internet age either. I'm giving it a listen right now, twenty-three years later! Many thanks.

"plunderphonics" :laughing:

Neapolitan 08-27-2017 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1867983)
Oh and here I thought your post was about Pink Floyd. Thanks for elaborating!
Exactly!!! In Chula's eye Led Zeppelin plays like animals and the Dead play like they are on the dark side of the moon.

Lisnaholic 08-27-2017 08:02 PM
Nice avatar, Neapolitan !

Here is Mimi with her sister I believe:-

http://68.media.tumblr.com/042a64a37...6inuo1_500.png

Frownland 08-27-2017 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1868018)

"plunderphonics" :laughing:
FYI. I suppose that sound collage is the more widely accepted term for it.

Lisnaholic 08-28-2017 06:05 PM
^ Thanks, but "plunderphonics" sounds cooler doesn't it?

It's a looong album, but I love it. Is it wrong of me to like it more than most Grateful Dead albums? I like the way the guy has distorted and effectively done away with Jerry Garcia's vocals, and there's an interestingly weird bit at about one hour twenty mins in.
If by any chance you have this album in an easily sendable format, feel free to do me a big favor...

Frownland 08-28-2017 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1868307)
^ Thanks, but "plunderphonics" sounds cooler doesn't it?

It's a looong album, but I love it. Is it wrong of me to like it more than most Grateful Dead albums? I like the way the guy has distorted and effectively done away with Jerry Garcia's vocals, and there's an interestingly weird bit at about one hour twenty mins in.
If by any chance you have this album in an easily sendable format, feel free to do me a big favor...
It's not wrong at all, I feel the same way. He trims a lot of the fat and doesn't go overboard with his own ego in the music. And unfortunately I don't have a copy, I just stream it.

Lisnaholic 08-28-2017 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1868310)
It's not wrong at all, I feel the same way. He trims a lot of the fat and doesn't go overboard with his own ego in the music.
^ Absolutely agree! That's very well put. Also, I found this out on Wikipedia:-

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In an interview in 1995 John Oswald described how the project came about: "Phil Lesh called me up and talked me into doing it...."
If it has Phil's seal of approval, our consciences are clear and we can sleep easy in our beds!
Thanks again for bringing this album to my attention. Sometimes MB and its members really do come up trumps. :thumb:

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And unfortunately I don't have a copy, I just stream it.
^ Thanks anyway. Sometime I think I'm too obsessed with getting my own copy of material....

Neapolitan 08-28-2017 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1868031)
Nice avatar, Neapolitan !

Here is Mimi with her sister I believe:-

http://68.media.tumblr.com/042a64a37...6inuo1_500.png
Thanks. :)


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