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Trollheart 08-26-2017 01:03 PM

Why do we hate music we hate?
 
Or in other words, why does it annoy us so much that certain music we hate happens to exist? I'm asking this after reading the excellent and funny http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...out-music.html from our late friend Urban, and I of course realise that much of what he wrote is to be taken tongue-in-cheek, but it did set me to thinking.

Why does it annoy us that say bands like Dragonforce or Tool or [insert hated band here] exist? Or that a certain genre or subgenre we hate is liked by others ? Obviously, nobody is ever going to like ALL music, but why put down that which we don't like? Nobody here - no individual, and no group - can be the ultimate arbiter of taste, so while I might hate hip-hop or jazz, and you might hate prog rock, why does its existence offend so?

It's not the same in other arenas. Sport, to some extent, yes, but that's more a case of rivalries between teams, states or counties. But if you hate horror movies, you don't watch them. If you like science-fiction books but hate trashy romance, you don't read the latter. If medical dramas get up your nose you don't look at them. But we don't complain about the existence of any of these things: we accept they're there, but don't try to put them down. They simply don't matter to us. We have no interest in them. If others like them, fine, but we don't. And that's the end of it.

So why do we tend to froth at the mouth about music we hate? Why is it so important? Radio? Well nobody's forcing us to listen, and there are surely thousands of stations we can choose from. Fans of these bands or genres? Quite possibly. But if we don't like certain music, why do we feel the need to put it down? Why can't we just accept it's not for us and move on? What is it about music that polarises opinion in a way few if any other subjects do?

GD 08-26-2017 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1867650)
Or in other words, why does it annoy us so much that certain music we hate happens to exist? I'm asking this after reading the excellent and funny http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...out-music.html from our late friend Urban, and I of course realise that much of what he wrote is to be taken tongue-in-cheek, but it did set me to thinking.

Didn't give me credit, bish
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Originally Posted by Gigantic Debaser (Post 1867636)
Cool find. It reminded me of my favorite necro-threads, which surpassed 100 entries: http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...out-music.html


Janszoon 08-26-2017 01:37 PM

I hate it because it's terrible.

Frownland 08-26-2017 01:42 PM

The music I hate is the worst.

The Batlord 08-26-2017 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1867650)
I'm asking this after reading the excellent and funny http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...out-music.html from our late friend Urban, and I of course realise that much of what he wrote is to be taken tongue-in-cheek, but it did set me to thinking.

RIP Urban

DriveYourCarDownToTheSea 08-26-2017 01:54 PM

The only kind of music I have a more-or-less blanket "hatred" of is rap, and the reason I dislike it is because it has more-or-less eliminated melody. I find that to be obnoxious to listen to. The rhythms themselves can be interesting, and a lot of non-rap in the past 15-20 seems to have adopted those kinds of rhythms successfully while still maintaining a melody. But once you eliminate the actual melody from the singing it sounds like somebody yakking away at me which really turns me off. I don't find somebody yakking away at me to be very entertaining.

Janszoon 08-26-2017 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DriveYourCarDownToTheSea (Post 1867659)
The only kind of music I have a more-or-less blanket "hatred" of is rap, and the reason I dislike it is because it has more-or-less eliminated melody. I find that to be obnoxious to listen to. The rhythms themselves can be interesting, and a lot of non-rap in the past 15-20 seems to have adopted those kinds of rhythms successfully while still maintaining a melody. But once you eliminate the actual melody from the singing it sounds like somebody yakking away at me which really turns me off. I don't find somebody yakking away at me to be very entertaining.

Most rap music does actually have melody though.

Chula Vista 08-26-2017 02:33 PM

A LOT of people like peas. I don't like peas.
A LOT of people like baked beans. I don't like baked beans.
A LOT of people like going to baseball games. I don't.
A number of people like Coprophagy. I don't like Coprophagy.

A LOT of people like The Grateful Dead. I hate The Grateful Dead.

It is what it is. It either gets you off, or it doesn't.

Paul Smeenus 08-26-2017 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1867671)
A LOT of people like The Grateful Dead. I hate The Dreadful Grate.

ftfy :)

The Batlord 08-26-2017 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1867671)
A LOT of people like peas. I don't like peas.
A LOT of people like baked beans. I don't like baked beans.
A LOT of people like going to baseball games. I don't.
A number of people like Coprophagy. I don't like Coprophagy.

A LOT of people like The Grateful Dead. I hate The Grateful Dead.

It is what it is. It either gets you off, or it doesn't.

How the **** are you from Boston and you don't like baked beans?

Janszoon 08-26-2017 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867682)
How the **** are you from Boston and you don't like baked beans?

I'm from Boston and I don't like baked beans.

The Batlord 08-26-2017 03:19 PM

How can anyone not like baked beans? They're beans. At most you just don't care. Or you're a right thinking person and jump at the chance to fart more.

Janszoon 08-26-2017 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867691)
How can anyone not like baked beans? They're beans. At most you just don't care. Or you're a right thinking person and jump at the chance to fart more.

My fundamental objection to them is that they taste awful.

GD 08-26-2017 03:32 PM

Beans in general are kinda suck-ish

Chula Vista 08-26-2017 03:39 PM

Boston Baked Beans is one of those foods that everyone makes but only a very small percentage of them get it right. They're too damn easy to mess up. My step-mom's mom use to make them and they were heavenly. She was a French-Canadian and everything she made that was regional was too die for.

Her Gorton (pork spread) is legendary.

I hate them because 99% of the most of ones I've eaten have sucked.

djchameleon 08-26-2017 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867658)
RIP Urban

woot woot :beer:
I feel like I should throw a party.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867682)
How the **** are you from Boston and you don't like baked beans?

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1867687)
I'm from Boston and I don't like baked beans.

You don't like baked beans and probably don't like baseball because sports. What a shame.


How do you not like the Red Sox and baked beans but are from Boston?

Saw Chula's baked beans explanation late.

As far as the OP, it either clicks with you or it doesn't. The tiniest thing about a certain song or band could throw you off and you end up not liking them for it.

The Batlord 08-26-2017 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1867698)
Boston Baked Beans is one of those foods that everyone makes but only a very small percentage of them get it right. They're too damn easy to mess up. My step-mom's mom use to make them and they were heavenly. She was a French-Canadian and everything she made that was regional was too die for.

Her Gorton (pork spread) is legendary.

I hate them because 99% of the ones I've eaten have sucked.

Bang up marketing team on that name.

Janszoon 08-26-2017 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1867699)
You don't like baked beans and probably don't like baseball because sports. What a shame.


How do you not like the Red Sox and baked beans but are from Boston?

I don't particularly like sports, but I do have a soft spot for the Red Sox. Anyway, if you're from a place is it really a requirement that you like everything that place is known for?

Paedantic Basterd 08-26-2017 03:59 PM

Troll is dead wrong if he thinks nobody gets mad about movies or TV they hate. Ask me about Guardians of the Galaxy 2 or the end of How I Met Your Mother, I dare you. :P

The Batlord 08-26-2017 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1867703)
I don't particularly like sports, but I do have a soft spot for the Red Sox. Anyway, if you're from a place is it really a requirement that you like everything that place is known for?

I live in Hampton Roads, VA and I ****ing love aircraft carriers.

Janszoon 08-26-2017 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1867705)
Troll is dead wrong if he thinks nobody gets mad about movies or TV they hate. Ask me about Guardians of the Galaxy 2 or the end of How I Met Your Mother, I dare you. :P

Ok. Tell me about Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and the end of How I Met Your Mother.

Chula Vista 08-26-2017 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867701)
Bang up marketing team on that name.

It's so freaking awesome. One of the top 10 munchie foods of all time. Served cold on toast or crackers with catsup and/or mustard......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretons

https://i.imgflip.com/15n5lz.jpg

Paedantic Basterd 08-26-2017 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1867708)
Ok. Tell me about Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and the end of How I Met Your Mother.

I didn't genuinely want to talk about it, but I also realize you're trying to call my bluff, so I'll give you something.

Spoiler for I don't actually expect you to read this, no worries:
Guardians II was a complete ****ing disastrous mess of a script. The plot made no sense and the pacing was terrible. James Gunn wrote a messy script and tried (apparently successfully) to patch up all the holes with cheap jokes. The characters bordered on self-parody. He completely shoehorned characters into the plot who had no need or business being there and serviced the story in no way (Karen Gillian, Michael Rooker, and for some reason Sylvester Stallone). The subplots of these characters had nothing to do with each other (the gold people, Nebula's relationship with Gamora, Rocket getting separated from the group) and the result was a mess of weak character arcs that he kind of just glossed over in the end. And ****ing Peter Quill's plot is the least inventive, most unrealistic aspect of the entire ****ing thing: It takes over half the film to even get to the inciting incident, and then the change in character happens for a reason that makes NO sense (why the **** are you telling him you killed his mom, that served NO purpose), and there's absolutely no conflict for Peter at all (You killed my mom? Oh well **** you then). And worst of all are the accolades bestowed upon a film that is frankly a sloppy and terrible construction.

And the end of HIMYM is a load of terrible writing as well. They spent an ENTIRE SEASON on a time period of THREE DAYS and filled 20 odd episodes with terribly-conceived filler plots, then undid the entire season (nay! Series!) in a space of 2-minutes: "So they got a divorce and then your mom died, can I bang your aunt?"

On top of that, Robin was an atrocious character who acted selfishly and without regard for anyone but herself the entire series long, and instead of repairing the viewer's relationship with her, they just told the viewer to accept it: Robin was terrible to Ted for 7 of the show's 10 years, but because HE loves her we're supposed to be happy for them both! No, she was a ****ty ****ing character and in the end we're supposed to feel sorry for her for ruining her own life? We're supposed to be rooting for her despite her being a huge bitch every step of the way?

I could also go on like this for Dexter, Heroes, Snowpiercer, Orange is the New Black, Hector and the Search for Happiness, 10 Cloverfield Lane, Hannibal, and literally anything that depicts a psychologist in it.

EDIT: Oh and Wonder Woman. Or the Secret Life of Walter Mitty.

TV. Its serious business.

The Batlord 08-26-2017 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1867711)
And the end of HIMYM is a load of terrible writing as well. They spent an ENTIRE SEASON on a time period of THREE DAYS and filled 20 odd episodes with terribly-conceived filler plots, then undid the entire season (nay! Series!) in a space of 2-minutes: "So they got a divorce and then your mom died, can I bang your aunt?"

On top of that, Robin was an atrocious character who acted selfishly and without regard for anyone but herself the entire series long, and instead of repairing the viewer's relationship with her, they just told the viewer to accept it: Robin was terrible to Ted for 7 of the show's 10 years, but because HE loves her we're supposed to be happy for them both! No, she was a ****ty ****ing character and in the end we're supposed to feel sorry for her for ruining her own life? We're supposed to be rooting for her despite her being a huge bitch every step of the way?

I could also go on like this for Dexter, Heroes, Snowpiercer, Orange is the New Black, Hector and the Search for Happiness, 10 Cloverfield Lane, Hannibal, and literally anything that depicts a psychologist in it.

TV. Its serious business.

I only ever occasionally watched HIMYM, but Ted/Robin was Ross/Rachel 2.0 but lame. Barney/Robin made far more sense.

And dear god on Heroes. The first season did a great job at ripping off Watchmen, but then... Jesus. I don't know what makes me angrier, turning into Sylar into a fanfiction plot or throwing away Kristen Bell's awesome character on a show that no longer deserved her.

Janszoon 08-26-2017 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1867711)
I didn't genuinely want to talk about it, but I also realize you're trying to call my bluff, so I'll give you something.

Spoiler for I don't actually expect you to read this, no worries:
Guardians II was a complete ****ing disastrous mess of a script. The plot made no sense and the pacing was terrible. James Gunn wrote a messy script and tried (apparently successfully) to patch up all the holes with cheap jokes. The characters bordered on self-parody. He completely shoehorned characters into the plot who had no need or business being there and serviced the story in no way (Karen Gillian, Michael Rooker, and for some reason Sylvester Stallone). The subplots of these characters had nothing to do with each other (the gold people, Nebula's relationship with Gamora, Rocket getting separated from the group) and the result was a mess of weak character arcs that he kind of just glossed over in the end. And ****ing Peter Quill's plot is the least inventive, most unrealistic aspect of the entire ****ing thing: It takes over half the film to even get to the inciting incident, and then the change in character happens for a reason that makes NO sense (why the **** are you telling him you killed his mom, that served NO purpose), and there's absolutely no conflict for Peter at all (You killed my mom? Oh well **** you then). And worst of all are the accolades bestowed upon a film that is frankly a sloppy and terrible construction.

And the end of HIMYM is a load of terrible writing as well. They spent an ENTIRE SEASON on a time period of THREE DAYS and filled 20 odd episodes with terribly-conceived filler plots, then undid the entire season (nay! Series!) in a space of 2-minutes: "So they got a divorce and then your mom died, can I bang your aunt?"

On top of that, Robin was an atrocious character who acted selfishly and without regard for anyone but herself the entire series long, and instead of repairing the viewer's relationship with her, they just told the viewer to accept it: Robin was terrible to Ted for 7 of the show's 10 years, but because HE loves her we're supposed to be happy for them both! No, she was a ****ty ****ing character and in the end we're supposed to feel sorry for her for ruining her own life? We're supposed to be rooting for her despite her being a huge bitch every step of the way?

I could also go on like this for Dexter, Heroes, Snowpiercer, Orange is the New Black, Hector and the Search for Happiness, 10 Cloverfield Lane, Hannibal, and literally anything that depicts a psychologist in it.

TV. Its serious business.

I was legitimately curious what you objected to about Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 because I liked it and How I Met Your Mother because I had no idea how it ended and was never planning on sitting through multiple seasons of a show I didn't really like to find out.

I'm amazed you didn't like Snowpiercer though. I thought that movie was great.

Paedantic Basterd 08-26-2017 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867714)
I only ever occasionally watched HIMYM, but Ted/Robin was Ross/Rachel 2.0 but lame. Barney/Robin made far more sense.

And dear god on Heroes. The first season did a great job at ripping off Watchmen, but then... Jesus. I don't know what makes me angrier, turning into Sylar into a fanfiction plot or throwing away Kristen Bell's awesome character on a show that no longer deserved her.

Barney and Robin were both selfish and looked out for themselves. Which meant they fit one another in a relationship because they were both strong and independent personalities. They were similar and they understood one another. Also the reason for their relationship crumbling was ****ing stupid.

The first season of Heroes was some seriously great TV, but it all went to hell after that regenerative blood thing. When a series starts to break the rules of its own universe, that's when you lose the audience. I watched the whole second season uneasily, but tried to keep an open mind, then I quit immediately in S03 after they introduced Ali Larter's 213th character.

Paedantic Basterd 08-26-2017 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1867715)
I was legitimately curious what you objected to about Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 because I liked it and How I Met Your Mother because I had no idea how it ended and was never planning on sitting through multiple seasons of a show I didn't really like to find out.

I'm amazed you didn't like Snowpiercer though. I thought that movie was great.

Oh, sorry for doubting your interest haha!

Snowpiercer is a masterpiece of ridiculous film. I love it because I think it's terrible.

Captain America trips on a salmon and that's not even the silliest part of the whole film.

Janszoon 08-26-2017 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1867718)
Oh, sorry for doubting your interest haha!

Snowpiercer is a masterpiece of ridiculous film. I love it because I think it's terrible.

It's a deliberately absurd movie by an amazing director who knows exactly what he's doing. That doesn't qualify as terrible to me.

Paedantic Basterd 08-26-2017 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1867719)
It's a deliberately absurd movie by an amazing director who knows exactly what he's doing. That doesn't qualify as terrible to me.

Like I said, a masterpiece of ridiculousness. I can't tell if we agree or disagree about that, haha.

I didn't care for the Lobster either, so perhaps I just don't like satirical films with serious facades.

The Batlord 08-26-2017 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1867717)
The first season of Heroes was some seriously great TV, but it all went to hell after that regenerative blood thing. When a series starts to break the rules of its own universe, that's when you lose the audience. I watched the whole second season uneasily, but tried to keep an open mind, then I quit immediately in S03 after they introduced Ali Larter's 213th character.

And how ****ing long did Hiro spend in ancient Japan doing who cares what? I suspect the first season was only as good as it was because, again, they ripped off Watchmen. After that they tried writing their own stuff and had absolutely no interesting ideas so they tried throwing as much nonsense as they could at the wall. I don't even know if I got through half of season 3.

P.S. I have no idea why it was important to Peter's character that his bottom lip had to look like he just had a stroke. Not exactly a criticism but it's just been bugging me for years.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/cd189243...5ikso1_250.gif

Zhanteimi 08-26-2017 04:48 PM

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Paedantic Basterd 08-26-2017 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867725)

P.S. I have no idea why it was important to Peter's character that his bottom lip had to look like he just had a stroke. Not exactly a criticism but it's just been bugging me for years.

That's just Milo Ventimiglia's face. :laughing:

Janszoon 08-26-2017 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1867723)
Like I said, a masterpiece of ridiculousness. I can't tell if we agree or disagree about that, haha.

I didn't care for the Lobster either, so perhaps I just don't like satirical films with serious facades.

I don't know what Lobster is, but I don't think Snowpiercer has a serious facade. It's a pretty humorous movie. Bong Joon Ho is a lot like Terry Gilliam in that he tends to make funny absurdist films that also have some darkness running through them. I guess that's just something that really appeals to me. That's also what I like about Jean-Pierre Jeunet and Jean-Claude Lauzon.

Ninetales 08-26-2017 05:03 PM

as for himym wasn't ted a pretty horrible character throughout the show too? like he was always portrayed as this "love searching nice guy" but most of his actions with girls were self indulging or just plain shitty. his sad puppy shtick only really applied to his robin obsession, but everyone else it as like "kids, im not proud of this moment.."

also, I want to hear about Walter Mitty

Frownland 08-26-2017 05:03 PM

The Lobster was the second movie by the director of Dogtooth and you should watch it Janzface.

Janszoon 08-26-2017 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1867735)
The Lobster was the second movie by the director of Dogtooth and you should watch it Janzface.

I heard good things about Dogtooth, but I haven't seen that either.

The Batlord 08-26-2017 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1867727)
That's just Milo Ventimiglia's face. :laughing:

*googles*

Mother of god.

Paedantic Basterd 08-26-2017 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales (Post 1867734)
also, I want to hear about Walter Mitty

I don't have too much to say about Mitty apart from that it was beautifully directed, but completely soulless.

Trollheart 08-26-2017 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1867705)
Troll is dead wrong if he thinks nobody gets mad about movies or TV they hate. Ask me about Guardians of the Galaxy 2 or the end of How I Met Your Mother, I dare you. :P

Yeah, perhaps the thread title should be "why do we keep telling people their music sucks if we don't like it?" I know there are plenty of good reasons to hate certain music, or that we think there are anyway; I just don't get why people have to constantly tell people who like that music that their music is ****. I mean, to use Ped's example above, sure, you may hate those shows but I can guarantee you don't go fuming at people on TV forums about how they shouldn't watch them, do you? Do you?
:shycouch:
But mention a band 99% of people hate here that you happen to like (let's use Coldplay rather than the more obvious ones you all expect) and it's a full on ragefest, snarkfest or snootfest. Maybe something else ending in fest. And I don't quite understand why. So you don't like the band, and I do (maybe). So what? Why keep telling me they suck and that I, by extension, suck by liking or at least listening to them? And I don't just mean me: I don't give a **** what people think of my music taste. But this happens to other people too.

Kudos to Batty by the way for trying to turn this into the "Why don't you like beans?" thread. As it happens, I do like beans. But not peas. **** peas.

Oh, and yes, eternal thanks to GD for pulling up that Urban thread: I'm reading through it as I go and it's bloody hilarious. :laughing: I miss that guy. :(

Paedantic Basterd 08-26-2017 05:23 PM

I mean, no I don't go around telling people they shouldn't watch stuff but... I also don't do that with music? Point is, my opinion on music is not special or different from my opinion on anything else, and I don't treat it as such as the discussion asserts people do.


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