Peer Pressure: Artists You're Not Supposed To Like

**Frownland** · 11-07-2017, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

not everything I like I would defend as outstanding pieces of art

Examples? If they're not outstanding then why do you like them? Art has fluid value, it's not like an unpolished song with a lot of charm is a lesser art because it's unpolished.

Lucem Ferre · 11-07-2017, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

not everything I like I would defend as outstanding pieces of art

so I think the concept of "guilty pleasure" makes sense as there are metrics you are capable of judging something on that are not a binary yes or no to the question "do I like this"

That's just a pretentious view on what art is supposed to be, quit trying to draw lines and let it flow free. Art is always a reflection of ourselves and the world around us. The world around us is not always intricate or thoughtful. Some times things are simple, silly and pointless. To think art that reflects that and tries to invoke that feeling doesn't hold the same merit as other art is dumb.

**Frownland** · 11-07-2017, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I already posted an example itt

So what keeps it from being an outstanding piece of art if you already enjoy it and (generally) the goal of that medium is to be enjoyed? You don't have to prove anything to us, man.

Lucem Ferre · 11-07-2017, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I'm not trying to judge pop music on the criteria of harsh noise

the reason for liking something could be completely arbitrary and not to do with the quality even within its own genre

Point is maybe you should question the criteria of what you use to judge anything if you enjoy something that isn't of that criteria.

**Frownland** · 11-07-2017, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I'm not trying to judge pop music on the criteria of harsh noise

the reason for liking something could be completely arbitrary and not to do with the quality even within its own genre

So by saying this are you implying that determining the quality of art isn't also arbitrary?

Lucem Ferre · 11-07-2017, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

is it not fair to say you enjoy something but you wouldn't really defend it

it's not that serious

Shouldn't have to defend anything you enjoy.

Edit: Unless it's baby rape.

**Frownland** · 11-07-2017, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

is it not fair to say you enjoy something but you wouldn't really defend it

it's not that serious

It is fair, but not really consistent with what we've been talking about though isn't it? That was a rhetorical question, I am well aware that it is not consistent.

~~MicShazam~~ · 11-07-2017, 12:43 PM

I gave up on thinking about music as art like that years ago. You know, in terms of how high it is on some arbitrary scale of cultural worth/source of cultural capital/artistic depth and meaningfulness or whatever. Guilty pleasures don't exist in my world. If I like it, it's good music. I take music seriously as "art" in some sense, as long as I find that it's well made and expressive. Doesn't matter if it's Schöenberg og Kylie Minogue.

Lucem Ferre · 11-07-2017, 12:46 PM

A lot of times music that seems simple is actually much more layered than you realize.

Lucem Ferre · 11-07-2017, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

music is serious business

So is war. Wake up America. *megaphone drop*

11-07-2017, 12:43 PM	#28 (permalink)
~~MicShazam~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Aalborg Posts: 7,636	I gave up on thinking about music as art like that years ago. You know, in terms of how high it is on some arbitrary scale of cultural worth/source of cultural capital/artistic depth and meaningfulness or whatever. Guilty pleasures don't exist in my world. If I like it, it's good music. I take music seriously as "art" in some sense, as long as I find that it's well made and expressive. Doesn't matter if it's Schöenberg og Kylie Minogue.