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View Poll Results: Rate this album out of 10
10 10 37.04%
9 7 25.93%
8 2 7.41%
7 2 7.41%
6 2 7.41%
5 1 3.70%
4 2 7.41%
3 0 0%
2 0 0%
1 1 3.70%
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Old 02-22-2018, 08:58 PM   #201 (permalink)
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I guess the question is should we rate something higher just because it set certain standards? Or should it completely stand or fall on its own merits as music/whether we like it?
Oh what's up new(ish) dude, good post.

I say that in general terms of determining a classic, influence can definitely boost an album's status because I don't view classic the same way that I do favourites. It's not always a swing factor because the influence isn't always for the better, but I absolutely think that it's something to consider at the very least. Not only to give something more of a fair shake, but because it can help you identify the roots of what you enjoy about music. Albums like this came in at a point where recording was in an upswing, so they had an immense imprint on music in general. It's genuinely difficult to escape some sort of direct or indirect Zeppelin influence because of that impact. Plus, as a musician (he said with one hand down his pants), going to the source can make it easier to extrapolate on those ideas in new ways or to try to identify points in how music evolves and apply that evolutionary approach to other genres.

For the MB classics thread, I give it a little more leeway because if we were just going to do a plain ole classics list then we might as well just post up a few magazine articles. Going closer to our favourites will give our list more personality in the long run. Personally, I really appreciate originality so it gets a bit of swing depending on the record.
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Old 02-22-2018, 08:58 PM   #202 (permalink)
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Any album with "Going to California" gets no perfect rating from me.
It’s a fantastic song. And for one single album to have both GTC and TBOEM is mind blowing. And the way Zeppelin kept up that pace all through their career is so incredible. The only perspectives worth entertaining is WHY it’s unassaible. Not if. The jury decided ages ago. There’s no debating if they’re great. It’s only about understanding why.

I’m glad I’m here to let people know what they don’t know.
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Old 02-22-2018, 09:03 PM   #203 (permalink)
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It’s a fantastic song.
It's like a speedbump that scrapes your bumper. I love the record but I would ditch that track in a heartbeat.
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It's like a speedbump that scrapes your bumper. I love the record but I would ditch that track in a heartbeat.
You’re out of your goddamn mind
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Oh what's up new(ish) dude, good post.

I say that in general terms of determining a classic, influence can definitely boost an album's status because I don't view classic the same way that I do favourites. It's not always a swing factor because the influence isn't always for the better, but I absolutely think that it's something to consider at the very least. Not only to give something more of a fair shake, but because it can help you identify the roots of what you enjoy about music. Albums like this came in at a point where recording was in an upswing, so they had an immense imprint on music in general. It's genuinely difficult to escape some sort of direct or indirect Zeppelin influence because of that impact. Plus, as a musician (he said with one hand down his pants), going to the source can make it easier to extrapolate on those ideas in new ways or to try to identify points in how music evolves and apply that evolutionary approach to other genres.

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Hey great post. I have some contradictory feelings about this topic so I have nothing coherent to reply with, but I will contemplate your views on it as I make sense of it. Of course, your post is also a reminder to myself that the result of these threads isn't as important as the discussion regarding the records and their place in history/what we can learn from them.
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Albums like this came in at a point where recording was in an upswing, so they had an immense imprint on music in general. It's genuinely difficult to escape some sort of direct or indirect Zeppelin influence because of that impact.
Amen.
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I feel like this thread is where all the Chula-Frown tension is finally released.
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