What Sucks about This Artist?: Pink Floyd

Stephen · 01-14-2021, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Do you have a woke opinion on why Wish You Were Here and "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" suck other than them being insomnia cures?

Honestly if I came out of a studio having just recorded Wish You Were Here I’d be pretty pleased with myself lol.

The Batlord · 01-14-2021, 01:20 PM

I'm pretty sure a Q drop predicted that album.

Eleanor Rigby 14 · 01-15-2021, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Honestly if I came out of a studio having just recorded Wish You Were Here I’d be pretty pleased with myself lol.

Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Parts I-V) is great imo. Then VI-IX, is like a repetition plus keyboard solo so it isn't that cool.

TheBig3 · 09-23-2021, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Shine On sucks because they run the theme into the ground despite it not being very interesting to begin with. And I hate when they implement that corny ass sax. I can respect it as a coping mechanism for the band and the story about Syd being there is cool but I see no reason to listen to it.

Is this a general dislike for Sax? Or is there something specific about this line?

**Frownland** · 09-23-2021, 08:38 AM

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Is this a general dislike for Sax? Or is there something specific about this line?

Nah I love the sax, there's just something about Floyd's delivery with it on Shine On and Money that's more late night tv than jazz and it rubs me the wrong way. I think I said it ITT already but it sounds like what white people whose exposure to jazz is limited to Bleeding Gums Murphy think jazz sounds like. Jazz doesn't own the sax but I can tell that they're incorporating it for a "jazzy" flavour and fell flat on their face with it.

Guybrush · 09-23-2021, 08:39 AM

I like Pink Floyd and have been a fan since childhood. Something I think they and many other dad rock groups lack, which I think makes them seem blander, is that they're from a time when people and bands were generally less concerned with some simple identity shtick. There's no simple concept or cool image to them, especially not into the late Gilmour era. They're about the music and so occasionally wander into becoming complete bores.

Still, I find them great when they're great.

**Frownland** · 09-23-2021, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Guybrush

I like Pink Floyd and have been a fan since childhood. Something I think they and other dad rock groups lack, which I think makes them seem blander, is that they're from a time when people and bands were generally less concerned with some simple identity shtick. There's no cool image to them, especially not into the late Gilmour era. They're about the music and so occasionally wander into becoming complete bores.

Still, I find them great when they're great.

Eh, thinking of a lot of the icons from those times tells me that identity has always been pretty important in public opinion. I think Floyd gets called boring because their music is generally pretty slow and mellow more than anything.

TheBig3 · 09-23-2021, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Nah I love the sax, there's just something about Floyd's delivery with it on Shine On and Money that's more late night tv than jazz and it rubs me the wrong way. I think I said it ITT already but it sounds like what white people whose exposure to jazz is limited to Bleeding Gums Murphy think jazz sounds like. Jazz doesn't own the sax but I can tell that they're incorporating it for a "jazzy" flavour and fell flat on their face with it.

Yeah, I can see that. It's got an SNL-between-commercials feel. I still like it but I'll give any track with a horn on it a shot so I guess I'm not saying much with that.

Excellent BGM reference.

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Originally Posted by Guybrush

I like Pink Floyd and have been a fan since childhood. Something I think they and many other dad rock groups lack, which I think makes them seem blander, is that they're from a time when people and bands were generally less concerned with some simple identity shtick. There's no simple concept or cool image to them, especially not into the late Gilmour era. They're about the music and so occasionally wander into becoming complete bores.

Still, I find them great when they're great.

Maybe I'm not taking your meaning correctly. The Rainbow from the Prism isn't an iconic image for them? I also feel liek DSotM and The Wall are major iconic albums in the mind of the public. That and "Wish you were here" is played by every busker in every subway in the Western World.

Plankton · 09-23-2021, 08:59 AM

I was part of a collab that did a cover of SOYCD back in 2015 on a guitar forum. The guy who did the sax part substituted the sax for a bit of distorted slide guitar. It's really well done and matched the phrasing just about note for note, but he did take a few liberties. I won't say it's better, but I will say it's an interestingly different take on it.

Guybrush · 09-23-2021, 09:11 AM

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Eh, thinking of a lot of the icons from those times tells me that identity has always been pretty important in public opinion. I think Floyd gets called boring because their music is generally pretty slow and mellow more than anything.

Nah, it's not just that. Take a band like Bad Brains or Kamelot or Eagles of Death Metal. They fit into genres that are much more defined so that even before hearing or seeing them, you could have a pretty good idea of what they're gonna sound like or look like.

The psychedelic rock and especially early prog wasn't really defined like that. You couldn't look at Pink Floyd and know what they were gonna sound like. They could've sounded like the kinks or maybe mothers of Invention. And I'm pretty sure any contrived attempt at promoting some image is something they would find vulgar if they thought it would distract from the music.

Even today if Gilmour plays to thousands and have the backing of choirs or symphony orchestras, he still goes on stage with whatever black t-shirt he could find on the floor.

The only way to know PF is to listen and when their music often is kinda slow and ponderous, people don't have time for that and perhaps dismiss it as pretentious (which is fine if that's how they feel).

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