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Trollheart 07-16-2018 02:37 PM

Classic Albums We Have All (Probably) Heard
 
Okay, this is not going to be anything like MB Classics, or any of its countless (well, four) spin-offs. There's no voting here; we're not deciding on whether or not these albums are classics. That judgement has been made, by critics, fans, other musicians - hell, history itself has voted and decided these albums are all-time classics, and who are we to argue with that?

But let's talk about them. Anyone can suggest an album, as long as it is universally recognised as a classic. I'll kick it off with this, an album I doubt anyone would disagree is a true legendary classic.

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What's Going On - Marvin Gaye - 1971

I'm somewhat ashamed to say that though I knew of this album, I had not listened to it until a few years back, when I featured it in my Classic Albums I Have Never Heard journal (cos, you know, I hadn't) and it'll be no surprise to anyone I was totally knocked out by it.

It would of course be overly simplifying things to suggest that "black music" (for want of a better term, so forgive me) up until the release of this album had been basically in one of four categories: jazz, blues, soul/funk (which would kind of metamorphose during this decade into disco) and gospel. I'm sure there were other genres, but when we think of black music around this period, that's what comes to mind.

Blues dealt with the bad side of life, but generally (and again this is open to correction/education) was a more personal thing - my life has gone to crud, I can't get a job, my woman done left me etc - while jazz was, well, jazz, and being mostly (again, sorry if I'm oversimplifying or stereotyping; I don't mean to) instrumental, didn't have a lot to say about politics or the state of the world. Gospel was all, naturally, praise God and He is mighty, and while it certainly arose from and reflected the time of slavery, again it did not tackle any real-world issues. And funk and soul? Hey, they were all about havin' a good time, brother!

So for an artist like Gaye to come out with a record like this in his chosen genre was, well, pretty mindblowing and earth-shattering. Certainly, it wasn't the first collection of songs to protest against the Vietnam War (Dylan, for one, had been doing this since the late sixties, and would continue to do so) but mostly, that kind of thing seemed left to the folk and indeed “hippy” generation. Black folks didn't seem to have an opinion on the war, or if they did, they were keeping their mouths shut about it. Gaye set out to challenge this very mindset, asking everyone – but especially his black brothers and sisters - to “look around and see what's going on”. And they did.

The album didn't quite start a revolution, but it could be argued that political consciousness in black music had its wellspring here. Later artists like Gil Scott-Heron would take that baton and run with it, as would others, and of course Gaye himself would be taken from us a short thirteen years later, though he would have firmly made his mark on music by then, though not so much as a political commentator, with songs like “Heard it Through the Grapevine” and “Sexual Healing” becoming his legacy. But it all started here, brothers and sisters. This was the clarion call, one man looking around and asking himself how could not only the world be as it was, but nobody care?

Frownland 07-16-2018 03:08 PM



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The Batlord 07-16-2018 04:07 PM

Hey, TH, why don't you tell us how black Marvin Gaye was some more. Way more interesting than the music.

OccultHawk 07-16-2018 04:53 PM

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azz, and being mostly (again, sorry if I'm oversimplifying or stereotyping; I don't mean to) instrumental, didn't have a lot to say about politics or the state of the world.
Disagree vehemently

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Black folks didn't seem to have an opinion on the war, or if they did, they were keeping their mouths shut about it.


https://media1.tenor.com/images/8a4a...itemid=6219830

MLK was very outspoken against the war.

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The album didn't quite start a revolution, but it could be argued that political consciousness in black music had its wellspring here. Later artists like Gil Scott-Heron would take that baton and run with it,
Pieces of Man slightly predates What’s Going On.


But you’re right about one thing that album was a ****ing game changer. Despite my corrections I think that was a good review.

Trollheart 07-16-2018 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1975678)
Disagree vehemently





https://media1.tenor.com/images/8a4a...itemid=6219830

MLK was very outspoken against the war.



Pieces of Man slightly predates What’s Going On.


But you’re right about one thing that album was a ****ing game changer. Despite my corrections I think that was a good review.

I admitted I could be wrong about certain things. Thanks for clearing that up.

@ Batty: he was very black
@ Frownland: yeah by all means do it but it's certainly not the only classic album. No reason why it can't be discussed though.

Mindfulness 07-16-2018 05:00 PM

MMLP2



thas right folks... the second one! :cool:


is Eminem coming back to give us a hiphop album with MMLP3? :yeah:

Key 07-16-2018 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mindfulness (Post 1975683)
MMLP2



thas right folks... the second one! :cool:


is Eminem coming back to give us a hiphop album with MMLP3? :yeah:

Since when is that album a classic? Did I listen to the wrong album? I mean its not bad but...classic?

Neapolitan 07-16-2018 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1975652)
Black folks didn't seem to have an opinion on the war, or if they did, they were keeping their mouths shut about it.

Edwin Starr - War

Blank. 07-16-2018 10:52 PM

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Cuthbert 07-17-2018 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1975729)
Since when is that album a classic? Did I listen to the wrong album? I mean its not bad but...classic?

:D

It's not but I would also say Eminem doesn't have any classic albums.

Frownland 07-17-2018 07:59 AM

What's the worst classic album?

YorkeDaddy 07-17-2018 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1976035)
What's the worst classic album?

I would noninate Hotel California

Cuthbert 07-17-2018 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1976035)
What's the worst classic album?

Trout Mask Replica tbh

Frownland 07-17-2018 08:02 AM

I'd say Joshua Tree.

rubber soul 07-17-2018 08:07 AM

Maybe Rumours by Fleetwood Mac off the top of my head.

The Batlord 07-17-2018 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul (Post 1976041)
Maybe Rumours by Fleetwood Mac off the top of my head.

Maybe your shriveled penis.

rubber soul 07-17-2018 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1976042)
Maybe your shriveled penis.

That's what your girlfriend said :rofl:

Frownland 07-17-2018 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul (Post 1976041)
Maybe Rumours by Fleetwood Mac off the top of my head.

That is a good choice.

Cuthbert 07-17-2018 08:17 AM

Straight Outta Compton
Stone Roses
Thriller

Come at me bros.

rubber soul 07-17-2018 08:20 AM

Yep. Especially agree with Thriller. You can't give that album away these days.

Frownland 07-17-2018 08:23 AM

I appreciate Thriller for its historical significance. The music is aight.

Stone Roses suuuuuck though.

The Batlord 07-17-2018 08:23 AM

Melon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.

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Originally Posted by rubber soul (Post 1976044)
That's what your girlfriend said :rofl:

The only sound my girlfriend makes is the sound of one hand clapping.

MicShazam 07-17-2018 08:24 AM

Michael Jackson didn't really have albums with only good songs. His ballads were always the worst crap ever. Prince though... Whole other story <3

Frownland 07-17-2018 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1976063)
Michael Jackson didn't really have albums with only good songs. His ballads were always the worst crap ever. Prince though... Whole other story <3

You're saying that Prince is all crap?

MicShazam 07-17-2018 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1976065)
You're saying that Prince is all crap?

That would be funnier if it was even possible to misunderstand my sentence that bad.

Cuthbert 07-17-2018 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul (Post 1976058)
Yep. Especially agree with Thriller. You can't give that album away these days.

Has like two unquestionably great pop tracks then the rest is filled with rubbish.

Same as the other two really. SOC sounds rushed. Second album is much better than it at least from a production point of view.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1976061)
I appreciate Thriller for its historical significance. The music is aight.

Stone Roses suuuuuck though.

Agree mate.

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1976063)
Michael Jackson didn't really have albums with only good songs. His ballads were always the worst crap ever. Prince though... Whole other story <3

Agree.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1976065)
You're saying that Prince is all crap?

How very dare you.

The Batlord 07-17-2018 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1976068)
That would be funnier if it was even possible to misunderstand my sentence that bad.

*badly

MicShazam 07-17-2018 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1976072)
*badly

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The Batlord 07-17-2018 08:37 AM

If you want to sound like English isn't your fifth language then you need to figure out the difference between adjectives and adverbs.

Frownland 07-17-2018 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1976068)
That would be funnier if it was even possible to misunderstand my sentence that bad.

I'm not sure what's so absurd about it.

MicShazam 07-17-2018 09:00 AM

I'm trying to think of classic albums that I even actually like that much. That's hard enough. Thinking of ones that the rest of the forum might be into as well is much worse.

Here's a few candidates. All classic albums that I love and don't think are disliked around here:

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...untry_Life.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ou_My_Love.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...zanne_Vega.jpg

Frownland 07-17-2018 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1976106)

Trite. Trash.

MicShazam 07-17-2018 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1976107)
Trite. Trash.

Yeah I know, he's not as weird as his dad. What a massive disappointment.

Frownland 07-17-2018 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1976112)
Yeah I know, he's not as weird as his dad. What a massive disappointment.

I hated the little brat before I even knew his dad existed. His music is absolutely pointless karaoke BS. Without good songwriting, your music is dead in the...nevermind.

MicShazam 07-17-2018 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1976119)
I hated the little brat before I even knew his dad existed. His music is absolutely pointless karaoke BS.

I'm really only surprised that you didn't single out the Suzanne Vega album for a good trashing.

YorkeDaddy 07-17-2018 09:12 AM

The only album that’s been attacked in this thread that I feel truly insulted by is Rumours

Frownland 07-17-2018 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1976120)
I'm really only surprised that you didn't single out the Suzanne Vega album for a good trashing.

I haven't heard it.

Frownland 07-17-2018 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1976122)
The only album that’s been attacked in this thread that I feel truly insulted by is Rumours

Kid A

MicShazam 07-17-2018 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1976123)
I haven't heard it.

Big mistake.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIYAEhzMwSc

Frownland 07-17-2018 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1976125)
Big mistake.

No time, I'm listening to my own music right now.


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