lolz

That's when you become a leader and create a following of weirdos. Also who the **** ever liked the music at high school parties? That's not why you were there.

Seriously though, if you talk about socialism and the working class, well hi ho here's music made by the working class expressing a basic desire to not be poor and you denigrate it because it doesn't live up to your expectations of what you support as a snob. It might not be self-aware music at times but it's an honest expression of dissatisfaction with how society has treated them and it's still important if nothing else but as a document of a social group's feelings.

This doesn't make you sound any less hopelessly white.

elphenor is so white that he secretly loves Death Grips

So you only listened to pop in high school?

Bruh the marketing wouldn't work if it didn't speak to them. And much of this music isn't major label. It's self-made. And the major labels didn't just invent this trope, it was invented by the artists themselves and picked up on because it spoke to their audience. Guess what, poor people want stuff. They want things like food and housing but they also want ALL the things that they are denied such as good food and good housing and this is expressed often through ****ty trap music. Perhaps you should consider opening your mind to the working class if you're going to fight for them. Or, you know, just become a Chula-esque neoliberal like we're all predicting.

It's not about them caring about music it's about them responding to music that speaks to them.

Weird comment(s). Wanting to go from working/under-class to rich isn't an exclusively socialist idea, and the way they express that vision in the music is through a glorification of capitalism.

C.R.E.A.M.

Yes but I'm talking specifically to elphenor, an out and proud socialist. I'm not trying to paint this kind of hip hop as politically aware, just as an expression of the feelings and desires of a significant portion of a population.

I mean yeah, I'm not exactly a real socialist but I'm very sympathetic to socialism while being a misanthropist, but if you're going to be a real socialist then maybe you should open your mind to the views of the plebs you're trying to represent. Cause otherwise what the **** are you doing? Who are you trying to fight for? Are you just dehumanizing the people you're supporting because they're worthless but hey they're still supposedly human?

You are to socialism what TH is to prog.

No you're the Genesis fan of socialism. Cause, you know, you're a bumper sticker socialist.

You're the guy who doesn't like the human race but pretends to when it suits his political dogma. I've never seen anything you've said that makes me think you care about the human race unless you were vomiting forth socialist schtick. You're a phony socialist.

So whoever uses the least amount of characters gets the gif? Can't I just be a drunk blowhard?

nobody seems to want to bite on your attempts to argue today so i will continue to troll you until somebody gets hooked in

What are you talking about? Both Fluff and DWV have bitten. Fluff has dropped off but DWV is on board.

fluff was barely writing sentences in response.

DWV will just argue anything tbh

Fluff barely writes sentences about anything. He doesn't even write more than three about soccer.