Which is the best album for Paramore?

GetOffMyLawnKid · 08-24-2018, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

Your musical knowledge seems very limited. For your handful of examples of artists failing I can raise you dozens examples of mid-career genre changes that were wildly successful. How about Fleetwood Mac? How about David Bowie? Iggy Pop? Beastie Boys? How about the ****ing Beatles? Were The Beatles a failure late in their career? Come off it

That doesn't even make sense or relate to Paramore. Fleetwood Mac and the Beastie Boys changed styles early in their career. They weren't even established bands at the time, Fleetwood started with the blues, and the Beastie Boys with punk. I don't really care about Bowie, Iggy, or The Beatles enough to know their history but i'm discussing established bands that suddenly changed genres. You'll be hard pressed to find a handful that succeeded in doing it. It may have worked for a few but I'm discussing Paramore and my own personal history of any band I've enjoyed. It's stupid and annoying for me as a fan of any artist to switch styles suddenly when I became of fan of that band for their style.

Paramore became another bubblegum pop band that sounds like 50 other female-fronted bands doing the same thing. The style change didn't make sense commercially, critically or any other way you look at it. An established band making a style change is career suicide. Paramore at first was looked as a great new up-and-coming band with a female lead singer that was in your face and a band that was hungry. No one cares about them now, their sales are in the bin. I think the last two albums barely sold over 100,000 a piece. No one one wanted it.

The Batlord · 08-24-2018, 01:05 PM

I haven't listened to Paramore in a minute but they were always a pop band, right? I'm not crazy? I seem to remember liking them kinda though.

YorkeDaddy · 08-24-2018, 01:08 PM

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I don't really care about Bowie, Iggy, or The Beatles enough to know their history but i'm discussing established bands that suddenly changed genres. You'll be hard pressed to find a handful that succeeded in doing it.

For someone who talks a big game about knowing music history and what a band should or shouldn’t do, you sure are ignorant on some of the biggest artists to have ever lived

**Frownland** · 08-24-2018, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GetOffMyLawnKid

That doesn't even make sense or relate to Paramore. Fleetwood Mac and the Beastie Boys changed styles early in their career. They weren't even established bands at the time, Fleetwood started with the blues, and the Beastie Boys with punk. I don't really care about Bowie, Iggy, or The Beatles enough to know their history but i'm discussing established bands that suddenly changed genres. You'll be hard pressed to find a handful that succeeded in doing it. It may have worked for a few but I'm discussing Paramore and my own personal history of any band I've enjoyed. It's stupid and annoying for me as a fan of any artist to switch styles suddenly when I became of fan of that band for their style.

Paramore became another bubblegum pop band that sounds like 50 other female-fronted bands doing the same thing. The style change didn't make sense commercially, critically or any other way you look at it. An established band making a style change is career suicide. Paramore at first was looked as a great new up-and-coming band with a female lead singer that was in your face and a band that was hungry. No one cares about them now, their sales are in the bin. I think the last two albums barely sold over 100,000 a piece. No one one wanted it.

You trying to listen to their music or sell their records?

GetOffMyLawnKid · 08-24-2018, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 66Sexy

I haven't listened to Paramore in a minute but they were always a pop band, right? I'm not crazy? I seem to remember liking them kinda though.

Nah, it was more pop-punk, then they went on to do more just straight on pop. They sound nothing like they originally did. Hey Violet is another band that did the same thing. A lot of these female-front bands do that. They will come out all hard and angry then corn it up with slow piano ballads a few albums later. It's very overdone.

GetOffMyLawnKid · 08-24-2018, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

For someone who talks a big game about knowing music history and what a band should or shouldn’t do, you sure are ignorant on some of the biggest artists to have ever lived

You didn't even know the history of half the bands you mention and that most changed styles before they were famous. I'm not suppose to know about every single band or even care about them, just like I'm positive you don't. Being famous doesn't equal talent. I can't stand the Beatles, Iggy, or Bowie. 60's-70's corny pop at it's worst imo. Give me Hendrix, CCR, Boston, Zeppelin, Skynyrd, Elvis, BB King, 10cc any day.

I don't know everything historically, but when it come to genres I would think it's common knowledge that it impacts more bands than not negatively. And since we are talking about Paramore and their fans and my personal preferences, it effected all negatively when it comes to the original fan-base that helped them to achieve fame.

**Frownland** · 08-24-2018, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GetOffMyLawnKid

You didn't even know the history of half the bands you named and that most changed styles before they were famous so it didn't relate. I'm not suppose to know about every single band or even care about them, just like I'm positive you don't. I don't know everything historically, but when it come to genres, I thought it was fairly common knowledge that it impacts most bands negatively. You can act ignorant all you want.

He already gave you several examples to the contrary. Your ignorance and apathy about them don't discredit that.

YorkeDaddy · 08-24-2018, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GetOffMyLawnKid

You didn't even know the history of half the bands you named and that most changed styles before they were famous so it didn't relate. I'm not suppose to know about every single band or even care about them, just like I'm positive you don't. I don't know everything historically, but when it come to genres, I thought it was fairly common knowledge that it impacts most bands negatively. You can act ignorant all you want.

You’re even wrong about that. Fleetwood Mac’s 1968 debut was pretty much a straight blues album, and it “reached No. 4 and stayed on the charts 37 weeks, despite the lack of a hit single” (source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flee...ac_(1968_album). Sounds like a big success to me and being the #4 album in the whole UK definitely means you’re famous. Their sound changed pretty dramatically in the 70’s and that’s the Fleetwood Mac everyone thinks of.

The Beastie Boys I’ll give you I guess, they didn’t even release an album until Licensed to Ill.

GetOffMyLawnKid · 08-24-2018, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

He already gave you several examples to the contrary. Your ignorance and apathy about them don't discredit that.

He gave me examples of bands who changed style before they were established and had more than a club full of fans. Hardly valid examples.

**Frownland** · 08-24-2018, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GetOffMyLawnKid

I can't stand the Beatles, Iggy, or Bowie. 60's-70's corny pop at it's worst imo.

But they were successful so I guess you're wrong about that.

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Originally Posted by GetOffMyLawnKid

He gave me examples of bands who changed style before they were established and had more than a club full of fans. Hardly valid examples.

Iggy, Bowie, and The Beatles all changed styles several times over the course of their career and were successful the whole time. Absolutely valid examples.