GetOffMyLawnKid

Respect is a tad much. I casually enjoyed his band during a breakup. That post-grunge emotion got me in my feelings.

Frownland

You casually enjoying someone like Aaron Lewis is punishment in itself.

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The Batlord

Nah that whole album is straight up pop. They try to throw in some of the most derivative and toothless punk I've heard this side of Sum 41 to cover up all the pop, but it's just cheap window dressing. The song I posted was one of the few that didn't try to pose as rock and subsequently played to their strengths (i.e. catchy songwriting and big choruses)

The Beatles were pop. David Bowie was pop. The Kinks were pop (and also helped to pioneer guitar distortion btw). Dance pop does not define pop itself.

Oh good, cause I didn't already hear all the Blink 182 I could stand back in the early 00s. I've been saying for years that I desperately wanted someone new to plagiarize Good Charlotte and The Used.

Yeah, how can Staind go from making balls out hard rock like "It's Been Awhile" to country?

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GetOffMyLawnKid

Derivative, catchy songwriting, and big choruses then goes off to mention their very downtempo pop that sounds like PVRIS, All Time Low, Hey Violet, and 20 other female-fronted bands. Meh.

You're attempting to argue something that doesn't logically make sense and is extremely uniformed. Posing as a rock or punk band is irrelevant to what it has been critically established as or sounds like. Rock/Punk Pop is a genre. No matter how you try and spin it that genre sounds nothing like popular music of today. I still wonder if you can properly decipher modern pop. Pop is not just catchy - it literally stands for POPULAR music. I named numerous popular artist of today who have had major success to assist you.

Beatles, Bowie, or The Kinks doesn't define the sound of today's pop nor were they strictly pop. I named the defining modern pop acts - which is what Paramore should be compared too.

Not only are bands like Good Charlotte not female-fronted bands their sound isnt comparable. I didn't even claim Paramore to be great, I answered the question. The first two albums are stylistically different than the rest of their discography and the majority of their fans blasted them for it. I didn't lie, I didn't make up something. Their sound totally changed. Those first two albums sound nothing like the rest and most hated it. What's so hard to understand?

It's Been Awhile doesn't relate to country and you once again tried to pick-and-choose the slowest song on an album and tried to compare. Terrible.

No hard feelings but I just can't with you. This will be my last reply about such a trivial thing. I came here to share music and learn of artist I may not have been acquainted with before. Not to debate someone who can't define or know the difference between genres much less debate it or try to belittle anything I listen to.

GetOffMyLawnKid

Staind and Aaron Lewis are two separate entities. Though I don't put myself above listening to popular music or any genre if the mood hits me. No one should.

YorkeDaddy

Yet you totally dismissed unquestioned legends like the Beatles, Bowie, or Iggy without knowing anything about their diverse careers. You said one of the most ignorant things I’ve ever read on MusicBanter (“did anyone ever care about Tom Waits?” WTF). Your words aren’t lining up here hombre

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The Batlord

I'm pointing to that song as being better than the "rocky" ones because it doesn't try to be something it's not.

So is pop a genre with musical qualities that can be defined or is it just popular music? Cause if it's just popular music then Staind is and always has been pop music. Strictly speaking everything that isn't formal music, folk, or avant garde is "popular music". So we must be talking about the other definition of pop music, right? It's a hard to define genre certainly but I call shenanigans on Paramore not being pop.

You're right. Paramore are closer to Avril Lavigne than Good Charlotte.

It's a cheesy ballad that could very easily have been reworked a bit and ended up on a modern country album.

I'm also the only one who bothered really discussing this with you, but if you'd rather stick your head in the sand to drown out naysayers then wuyagunado?

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GetOffMyLawnKid

You're so mad over me saying "I hate any bands that change styles" you just had to come back .

How did I dismiss Bowie, Beatles, or Iggy? It was a foolish argument since the genre was in it's infancy and doesn't relate. I stated they were fluff, which isn't even a demeaning remark. They were just too soft and all-over-the-place for my taste.

Then you tried to pull the Indi band card that no one really cares about today. And Tom Waits never was a big seller, I didn't lie. Your examples were terrible and doesn't relate to popular music.

Since you don't wanna stick to not replying to me, I'll do your ego a favor and let you have the last word like I told 66sexy. Enjoy.

The Batlord

And I'm the one this person chooses not to speak to?

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Frownland

You should put yourself above listening to ****ty music though.

Also Tom Waits is popular as **** get woke dude.

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