windsock

I have never liked punk as a genre. There are a few bands I like but it's not a genre I appreciate a lot. I'd say the same thing about a genre like gangsta rap.

That being said, I don't mind The Clash. They have some great tunes on a few of their records (I have heard Sandinista btw, it's alright). At the same time I think their albums are generally bloated and have a lot of needless filler which weighs down the better tracks. As for Bauhaus I enjoy their first album quite a bit and their second about as much. I haven't really heard Sky's Gone Out and beyond though so I can't cast judgement on them as a whole I suppose. I'd assume that I'd like it at least a little bit, and about as much as I like The Clash if your comparisons are correct.

The best punk bands (to me) are probably the more synth-oriented ones, aka new wave (I guess). Even then though there aren't many that I like within that, except maybe The Cars and The Police, but at that point how punk is it anymore? Idk, I'm not an expert.

You're right though that I dislike the popular first wave bands. They generally suck. Not only that, but they influenced a trillion other bands that sound as bad as they do, making their by-numbers sound the one most associated with punk in general. I find that really annoying because it's not a sound that I think holds up after several years or after even a few listens. That in particular is the type of punk I dislike the most, but it doesn't mean the other styles are good.

Then we start to head towards the 90's and the skate/pop punk movement. I won't deny that Green Day was my favorite band growing up, although that was mainly because my brother liked them so much and he sort of passed it down to me, but there's even less bands in this punk era that I find palatable. I mean I think a few tracks from The Offspring's Smash are fairly decent, but as a whole even that album's pretty samey. Green Day most certainly do not hold up after a decade or so and I've grown to find a lot of their material intolerable. Similar to The Offspring I find some of Bad Religion's 90's stuff to be alright, namely Stranger Than Fiction, and I think that might have been because the 90's were BR's big years in terms of development after their wholly lackluster 80's beginnings. Again though, they don't appeal enough to me as a whole for me to say I like them.

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I think that sorta holds true for a lot of countercultural genres. This Heat are a great example of an edgy sleeper hit group that are making rounds now when they weren't in '79. I think the first-wave punk style is more "timeless" because of it's compatibility with the younger generations with how typically raunchy and rebellious it is. I don't think that gives it higher quality though, if anything it just makes it phase music and that's not really great for someone who's past that phase.

I'm not trying to make it seem like I'm too mature for or am above a certain genre of music, but punk always remains popular to an extent (at least in my opinion) because teenagers and young adults love it. That's why 80's bands like Bad Religion picked up so much during the 90's and 00's, cause the omnipresent teenage culture of edginess was pervasive and mainstream enough in the 90's that it created a market for it.

It's true that they didn't fall into cultural pitfalls when it came to producing it, though. They did cut a lot of corners and made the sound itself almost DIY in nature, and amateurishness is something that has always existed and always will. But that still doesn't make me like the music that's being produced.

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Sure. But I think punk's are more widespread than say IDM. This is probably cause it's a genre (purposefully) built on a "stripped down" approach to rock music, which makes it easily replicateable. I would say the same thing for most genres of ambient.

They have their nuances, yeah. I just don't find the nuances enough to make me enjoy either of them, let alone hold one in higher esteem.

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My main gripe with punk has always been that it just doesn't jive with me. I have no interest in writing a dissertation on why it's objectively bad.

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Perhaps not to you but in the eyes of a lot of teenagers Bad Religion and other more "commercial" punk bands were seen as pretty against-the-grain compared to the majority of popular music. Most punk bands of that period were hook-oriented too. Earworms were the way of the game. Doesn't mean that younger people didn't find them edgy.

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I guess Mic's commandeering my rec thread now.

...I mostly agree though. It's very Into Eternity-esque, sans the clean vocals. The drums especially are very similar. I like this brand of eclectic melocore- the sudden tempo changes feel really natural and fleshed out. Packs quite the punch.

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