What Sucks About This Artist: Eric Clapton Edition

rubber soul · 12-28-2021, 10:51 AM

More important question. Just what kind of chip did he give you?

elphenor · 12-28-2021, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Screen13

For some reason, in my opinion he really "went south" when he fully went solo even before the rant that's been quoted many times over (and justifiably - in a live setting that's never called for such stuff). In bands - Bluesbreakers, Yardbirds, Cream, Blind Faith, Derek and The Dominos - he was alright even though I still don't get the "God" thing attached to him. He could have even formed something with George Harrison and made it work if Cream's "Badge" is anything to go by. Maybe there was just being with others that curtailed the very elements which made many criticize him.

Growing up, I heard the talent but never really got into the MOR AOR/Dad Rock that he created. Maybe it was the Alternative 80's in me, but I seriously laughed when I heard "I Got a Rock and Roll Heart" and heard nothing but bland bar music while moving into '85 and wanting him to stop despite the fact that "Forever Man" was a hit with a capital S.

The recent bit about going against someone selling a Bootleg (Live USA, just in case someone asks) that was one that can be bought from a German store (and I'm sure others) in the 90's was really something that could have been handled better by both parties but has shown the lack of communication we have today. Imtrat went through the loopholes and released a number of those dodgy discs, many of them under the Live USA banner - some possibly of serious historical interest to listeners - but to me it should have be a hint that it really should have been "No Go" to e-bay it if you can't sell it on Discogs. It was all clickbait headlines and the rest.

you're just as greedy if you're out there selling bootleg CDs in my eyes

Eric Clapton more sucks for his legacy as a Guitar God which he didn't intend anyway (and also for the racism)

Cream still ****ing Rocks

rubber soul · 12-28-2021, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

you're just as greedy if you're out there selling bootleg CDs in my eyes

Eric Clapton more sucks for his legacy as a Guitar God which he didn't intend anyway (and also for the racism)

Cream still ****ing Rocks

Especially for the racism.

And, yeah, Clapton's best work was definitely with Cream. His work with the Yardbirds was good but I'd rate Jeff Beck a little better, even if he was a flake.

As for his solo stuff, his self titled album and 461 Ocean Boulevard, but otherwise, meh.

rostasi · 12-28-2021, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

you're just as greedy if you're out there selling bootleg CDs in my eyes

Perspective, please.

The woman - we don't know her age - was basically selling off her dead husband's stuff on eBay. Thinking that she had some kind of nefarious reason is purely conjecture at this point. Like many partners of music fans, there is no reason to think she even knew or cared what a bootleg was. All she knew is that her hubby bought it in a shop sometime in the 80s and was of no use to her, so why not include it in with some other stuff of his to sell.

The greed lies more in the third-rate musician-coddling and all the self-importance that generates.

elphenor · 12-28-2021, 11:41 AM

oh that's fair enough

seems like Clapton or whoever in his legal team didn't differentiate then

rostasi · 12-28-2021, 11:54 AM

No, because they're self-important greedy fucks.

Lisnaholic · 12-28-2021, 12:05 PM

There was a time when, despite super-star status EC did a few low-key unadvertised gigs at local village halls near his house. Here's one with Gary Brooker and Andy Fairweather-Low among others:-

They don't pull any punches in the performance, even though there were only about 200 people in the audience. Added bonus: if you look carefully, you can even see Sean Dunphy in the crowd - he's the guy standing next to Trollheart.

Plankton · 12-28-2021, 12:14 PM

Jimi Hendrix's grandma is in there too.

Trollheart · 12-28-2021, 12:29 PM

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That's nothing. I once met Sean Dunphy in a chip shop AND he gave me a chip!

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^ Ditto, except *doesn't bother to look up Sean Dunphy*

Who is this guy,TH ? Your old gym teacher, or what?

Dunno. Me ma said he was someone though. Hey, I got a free chip, what do I care?

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Originally Posted by rubber soul

More important question. Just what kind of chip did he give you?

Unsure, but I carry it on my shoulder to this day.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

you're just as greedy if you're out there selling bootleg CDs in my eyes

Eric Clapton more sucks for his legacy as a Guitar God which he didn't intend anyway (and also for the racism)

Cream still ****ing Rocks

Yeah, greedy. A whole eleven dollars. Wow.

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Originally Posted by rubber soul

Especially for the racism.

And, yeah, Clapton's best work was definitely with Cream. His work with the Yardbirds was good but I'd rate Jeff Beck a little better, even if he was a flake.

As for his solo stuff, his self titled album and 461 Ocean Boulevard, but otherwise, meh.

Have to rate "Layla", "Wonderful Tonight" but "Tears in Heaven" just makes me want to puke. No offence, as a father I'm sure he was hurting but it seems almost a little like capitalising on a tragedy to me. August and Behind the Sun were half-ok albums (the only ones I have) though what possessed him to duet with Tina Turner I don't know. And Clapton could not really by any metric be called a shredder. There's a reason he's known as "Slowhand".

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Originally Posted by rostasi

Perspective, please.

The woman - we don't know her age - was basically selling off her dead husband's stuff on eBay. Thinking that she had some kind of nefarious reason is purely conjecture at this point. Like many partners of music fans, there is no reason to think she even knew or cared what a bootleg was. All she knew is that her hubby bought it in a shop sometime in the 80s and was of no use to her, so why not include it in with some other stuff of his to sell.

The greed lies more in the third-rate musician-coddling and all the self-importance that generates.

I am on her side, however she was advised to stop and basically gave the legal guys the finger, so it's hard to have that much sympathy.

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

There was a time when, despite super-star status EC did a few low-key unadvertised gigs at local village halls near his house. Here's one with Gary Brooker and Andy Fairweather-Low among others:-

They don't pull any punches in the performance, even though there were only about 200 people in the audience. Added bonus: if you look carefully, you can even see Sean Dunphy in the crowd - he's the guy standing next to Trollheart.

You can tell me by the chip, but you really have to zoom in.

Lisnaholic · 12-28-2021, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Plankton

Jimi Hendrix's grandma is in there too.

Thanks! I didn't recognise her until she took out her false teeth and started whistling Purple Haze.

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Dunno. Me ma said he was someone though. Hey, I got a free chip, what do I care?

Unsure, but I carry it on my shoulder to this day.

Good one!

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And Clapton could not really by any metric be called a shredder. There's a reason he's known as "Slowhand".

Yes, I thought that was a weird description too.

With all this focus on his mid-career solo albums & persona:
yes, I don't like the way he tried to turn himself into some rather too slick middle-of-the-road singer/songwriter, but if anyone has taken the trouble to listen to some of that Chiddingfold concert, you'll see a different Clapton: member of a really top-notch band cranking out great music, not for money or fame, but just for the joy of playing together.
Let's put that on the balance sheet when we are listing all the ways in which the latter-day Clapton sucks, please.

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12-28-2021, 11:54 AM	#106 (permalink)
rostasi . Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,000	No, because they're self-important greedy fucks.