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The Emo Education Thread
The Emo Education Thread Written by Crowquill. Reviewed By riseagainstrocks and Zealious. A Short Emo History ”Emo” is a shortened term for emotive or emotional hardcore. Originally, it was used mostly by “scene” kids, who were faithful to early DC hardcore punk bands like Minor Threat, to putdown fans of bands like Indian Summer and other similar bands. Today, it is more of an ambiguous term, like “indie”, to describe a variety of different styles, with much debate. Most applications of the word refer to bands of the Revolution Summer and the screamo movement of the 1990s. Emo is a derivative of the early 1980s hardcore punk movement. The earliest bands tried to deviate from the well-established and more violence-shifting hardcore sound, first evidenced in releases like Husker Du’s “Zen Arcade” in 1984, and later self-titled releases from Rites of Spring and Embrace (fronted by future Fugazi vocalist Guy Picciotto and ex-Minor Threat vocalist Ian Mackaye respectively). This upcoming breed of music was characterized by more intense and passionate vocal delivery, while retaining a more tranquilized hardcore punk quality. The summer of 1985 (termed the “Revolution Summer”) marked the emergence of many new bands like Nation of Ulysses, Moss Icon, Gray Matter, Shudder To Think, Ignition, and Dag Nasty. These bands tended to have a less aggressive, more melodic hardcore sound with more high-to-low sound transitions. Some of today’s well accepted emo qualities appeared here, with the introduction of more intricate pop-oriented guitar melodies and high pitch screaming. Some of these bands have been labeled “post-hardcore”, suggesting a derivation from the hardcore movement of the 1980s. By the mid-1990s, there were many derivations of the D.C. style that appeared in different parts of the country, particular the scene in California pushed by Gravity Records. Influenced by the bands of the Revolution Summer, prominent bands of this era included Antioch Arrow, Angel Hair, Mohinder, Heroin, Portraits of Past, Swing Kids, and Indian Summer. Most of these bands retained the hardcore-influenced sound and were later termed “screamo”, for their screaming vocals and more harmonized and melodic guitar riffs. The evolution of emo continued with the introduction of more indie-influenced emo (like Sunny Day Real Estate) and emo-influenced pop-punk or “pop-core”. Bands (and fans) of the latter type are heavily scrutinized by loyalists of the original hardcore movement. Labeling such bands as “emo” has caused much debate and separatism between the hardcore faithfuls and the current Wave fans. Despite this, there are still some modern day “traditional” hardcore-based emo and screamo bands. Emo There is a lot of musical diversity, ranging from soft guitar riffs to crashing riffs and whispering vocals to screaming. The lyrics can be thought of as a unique form of poetry and are often hard to decipher. They tend to be more personal, and sometimes they can be political in nature. The songwriting has been commonly and ignorantly mischaracterized as being solely depression and sometimes suicide oriented. Often used interchangeably with “emo”, emo-core was originally used to describe early D.C. bands and later bands that retained the hardcore-influenced sound. Examples: Rites Of Spring, Indian Summer, Moss Icon, Nation of Ulysses, Shotmaker, Hated, Evergreen, Dag Nasty, Native Nod, Embassy, Gray Matter, Embrace, Fire Party Screamo Starting in the 1990s with an emo-core influence, screamo has faster harmonized guitar riffs, screaming vocals, and softer and more melodic breakdowns. Gravity Records was the prominent source for this style of music. The intensified, emotional, and sometimes dramatic screaming performances have been acquired by many of today’s alternative, pop-punk, hardcore, and metal oriented bands. Inevitably, this has caused a divide between fans of this style and early hardcore loyalists. Examples: Heroin, Saetia, Off Minor, You&I, pg. 99, Amanda Woodward, Orchid, La Quiete, Antioch Arrow, City Of Caterpillar, Portraits of Past, Circle Takes The Square, IWouldSetMyselfOnFireForYou, Angel Hair, Joshua Fit For Battle, Usurp Synapse, Hassan I Sabbah Post-Emo (a.k.a. Indie Emo) Musically, indie-based emo is a lot softer, with soften rock or pop guitar riffs. The songs range from uplifting and happy to melancholy. The vocals tend to be high-pitched, but they are not as intense as hardcore or screamo vocals. The post-punk and post-hardcore movements had a large influence on this sound, particularly Husker Du and Fugazi (Guy Picciotto and Ian Mackaye). This indie-based emo is more commercially successful and recognized than the original hardcore movement. Examples: Christie Front Drive, Sunny Day Real Estate, Cap’n Jazz, Promise Ring, Mineral, Jets To Brazil, Joan Of Arc, Braid, Texas Is The Reason, Rainer Maria Links Foufra Cross My Heart With A Knife Gravity Records Level Plane Records Dischord Records Perpetual Motion Machine Records Hyper Realist Records Robotic Empire Records Electric Human Project Records mp3s Dag Nasty - Justification Dag Nasty - Last Song (Pretty Is My Middle Name) Dag Nasty - I Wouldnt Cry Usurp Synapse – Oh…You Are Sick Heroin – Moving Parts Antioch Arrow – Angel’s Lawn Amanda Woodward - Binaire et Lisible City Of Caterpillar - A Heart Filled Reaction to Dissatisfaction Get Fucked - Inside The 8lb. Dorm Fire Hot Cross - Better a Corpse Than a Nun Kaospilot - The Process is Set Saetia - Some Natures Catch No Plagues Saetia - Notres Langues Nous Trompent Neil Perry - Nine Minutes Of Non-Fiction Lickgoldensky - Untitled 05 Circle Takes The Square - Houdini Logic |
Great Post. I like how you included the pop-punk genre because it could serve as a bridge to all the pop-punk fans who want to know where their music came from.
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Nation of Ulysses are emo?
Damn that means i`ll have to go & burn the albums I have by them :( |
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looking to find new bands (not from late 80's or 90s) that are emo-core or screamo similar to Embrace, Dag Nasty....rather than emo-influenced pop punk which is most of the stuff i listen to
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I like the make-up more. Maybe I should do a britpop education thread , i`m feeling left out. |
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Regarding this thread, we spent some time thinking about how to word the last genre. But, I think it turned out ok; we definitely wanted to include it. Quote:
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I feel that all of the stuff below "emo-core" should be edited out with the "screamo" bit just added to the above section. The rest of the writing just confuses people.
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Zealous listed the reasons why the very bottom part is put there, and I fail to see how bands like cap'n jazz and sunny day real estate didn't contribute to emo history. The purpose of these threads is to educate people, not give them a quick paragraph of what it is. If they want that then they can read only a paragraph of it.
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Yeah I know you did alot of work for it etc but I just felt that Ethan was over critisizing the work that poster did on the ska eduction thread and telling him or someone else to rewrite the whole thing.
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Well written and I'm happy you included those links. I'll have to do something along those lines for the Metal Education Thread version 2.
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As this is an emo education thread I have a question.
When someone suggests a band is emo that you don`t like , the most common reply seems to be 'they`re not real emo' If thats the case does that mean that there`s no such thing as a bad 'real' emo band , or are you just in denial people think something you hate is classed as your favourite genre? Oh and I`d like some examples of some bad 'real' emo bands so I know to avoid them if it`s not too much trouble. |
People say it's not "real emo" because it isn't hardcore and that's what emo is, a more expressive form of hardcore. That's what I assume anyway. Moss Icon are pretty boring, same with alot of the 90s bands like Orchid and Heroin.
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I don't think emo-core and screamo should be merged, this is an education thread not a quick run through and while the difference is about as big as one between metal and heavy metal. Its still there and people should know about it. Another thing if you're not going to post anything that will actually change my mind then you're wasting you're time because this is my opinion though, and you're welcome to disagree and you're entitled to your own opinion, and thanks for the imput either way.
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I have a question:
Is early Jimmy Eat World (i.e. Clarity) considered emo? |
I've heard a few of the songs. I'd have to hear more but judging from what i've heard it would fit in with the whole sunny day side of emo.
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I bet you'd like some emo bands if you gave them a chance.
You're not very original either. At all. |
I had a real different idea about emo. Good to have read this. Now I can go and outsmart the ignorant on my town-forum. (Yes, we have one. ><)
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you know who's emo?
panic! at the disco |
Whether you're joking or serious you're stupid.
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Hahahahaahaha!
She was joking! How could P!ATD be emo? xD You're funny. ^.^ |
agh i went to a P!ATD concert with my friend for her birthday and there were basically a bunch of 13 year old girls wearing hollister complaining about the cheap little mosh pits. blah.
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Aren't you 14?
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yes but i was pointing out the fact that there was hardly anyone over 13. i admit a lot of people my age tend to ruin concerts for being stupid.
you just love arguing, huh? |
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Pan!c at the d!scO are a tOp band ,, even thOugh they m!ght nOt be emo, ! think we have to g!v them some cred!t for the!r songs :)
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Why do you type like that?
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umm.....sure. |
Ma m8 Bex thinks this thread is really kol and finally has sm1 hu thinks like hr. Cauz emos arent people!!!!
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Learn to spell.
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^ Dude eThaN ItS so G8, to SPell Leik THIS lol11!!!!!!!-065870OmgletzorzPOTATOSLAD
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What's skram?
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Lame word for emo.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...90826033&q=emo
watch the whole thing |
Wow, not funny at all. Way to go.
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Thanks ooj |
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