teamventure

for those of you who don't know, hardcore is not parkway drive, bring me the horizon, or "insert nu-metalcore band name here."

hardcore comes from punk, not metal. the term hardcore was coined as short for "hardcore punk"

hardcore started in the early 80's edit: "arguably the late 70's w/bad brains ect." with bands like minor threat, black flag. it was just faster and more aggressive punk.
towards the "early" corrected by basterd of young." 80's you had youth crew "youth of today, chain of strength" and crossover thrash like d.r.i. and integrity.

edit: corrected by bastard of young. also in the 80's you had the start of mellodic hardcore like dag nasty.

by the 90's development of modern metallic hardcore like earth crisis, and hatebread, "thank integrity" and your posicore that developed from youth crew, bane, champion.

fastforward to 2000's you have terror which single handedly kept real hardcore alive and brought it to the mainstream. "technically most of their material is metalcore as it is mixed with thrash but early stuff is more punk based."

and there you have it, a quick history on hardcore from my keyboard. i just believe that metal listeners should be aware of what "real" hardcore is. this is only my first post, but let's keep it real.

Mondo Bungle

Integrity and Earth Crisis slay.
There's also Guilt, Bloodlet, Fugazi(real post hardcore) all kick ass bands.

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teamventure

word. i think that's the next step in educating people on hardcore. as soon as someone finds out their nu-metalcore bands aren't hc they try to call it post hardcore which is also inaccurate. not to be nitpicky but people shouldn't call parkway drive post hardcore when it's just nu-metalcore..

BastardofYoung

"in the early to late 90's mellodic hardcore developed"

wait, what? The melodic hardcore scene came out before the early 90's. Dag Nasty for example, "Can I Say" was released in 1986. Even before them, Bad Religion's first EP from 1981, Social Distortion's "Mommy's Little Monster" came out in 1983.

Not to mention around that time, bands like Marginal Man, 7 Seconds, Youth Brigade, Articles of Faith, Government Issue.. the list goes on.


"hardcore started in the early 80's with bands like minor threat, black flag. it was just faster and more aggressive punk."

once again, have to stop you. It started in the late 70's.

Oh, and The Teen Idels came before Minor Threat.

From 1978, the first hardcore release:


though some debate has been put out on if it was the first, i think it is the first to get a release, but not the first recorded though.

also around that time you had, Black Flag, Bad Brains, Mentally Ill, Misfits, Dead Kennedys, The Germs and Avengers.


I mean if you are going to claim to talk about the scene as if you know it, least you could do is some research on the subject.

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BastardofYoung

part 2:

"towards the late 80's you had youth crew "youth of today, chain of strength" and crossover thrash like d.r.i. and integrity."

Crossover came out in the early 80's with the first, Sucidal Tendencies first album in 1983 was basically the start of it, though that album was not as crossover oriented as their future material, it still had elements of what would become crossover.

Between that and 1985 you had Attitude Adjustment, Cryptic Slaughter, S.O.D., Corrosion of Conformity, DRI, The Accused, Nuclear Assualt and Carnivore, and a few others.

Youth Crew was also mid 80's. Started by Youth of Today, who released their "Can't Close My Eyes" EP in 1985, which featured the song "Youth Crew" which was where it all came from.

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teamventure

my understanding of the history of mellodic hardcore is very limited. thanks for the correction. as for me stating that hardcore was started in the early 80's i am aware that it has rootes before that with bands like bad brains, ect, but i see minor threat as the ones who kick started it into high gear.
since you're more knowledgable on the subject could you please make a sticky thread on hardcore to inform this section on it? i was going to make one but you seem much more qualified so could you please make a sticky?

khfreek

There's already a hardcore and emo education thread stickied, maybe you missed it

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BastardofYoung

Sorry if i seemed rude, didnt mean to make ya feel small there with the last line.

As said, there is a thread for this thing. I can not sticky threads either, only mods can do that.

Listen to that Middle Class post I made, it is very much hardcore.

Minor Thread were one to kinda give hardcore a more notible edge, and were very influential. But Ian started in The Teen Idles as I say. They came before Minor Threat. SOA as well, which was Rollins first band (when he was still going by Henry Garfield). Both bands were the first to release on Dischord records.

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teamventure

it's ok, i wasn't offended. i'll listen to middle class soon. well if there's already a sticky then i guess we're good to go. peace..

khfreek

my bad, that's the Hardcore and Emo RECOMMENDATION thread. Only emo has a education thread :3 A hardcore eduaction thread would be a great asset.

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