didn't know they were ever 'rated' tbh. I thought they were quite underground...

we talking about same band btw? http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p...0:hz6dtr59kl4x

Op Ivy was really under the radar until those two members formed rancid. Then people desided to listen to their old band too. The singer of Op Ivy (i cant remember his name now) formed another ska band after they broke up called Common Rider, which is really good too.

say anything is pop indie, but still indie none the less. also for some older punk/ indie pop generation x is ecellent "kiss me deadly for sure"

anyone who has ever seen slc punk, which you should have to watch, it's the song heroin bob brings steve-o as kids. awesome song, the rest of their stuff is alot more punk tho.

"weak guitar bands that whine about stupid stuff"

That's tough man. I see that you have narrowed it down a bit, but I would have personally shuffled Oasis, Modest Mouse, and most definitely Billy Coragen in that direction. But judging from your taste... maybe check out a tune called 'Little Flower' by Secret Archives of the Vatican. The rest of their jams are a far stretch but great for the background.

had no idea they went on to rancid... but i lost touch with that kind of music (and never cared for rancid)...

w w w . m y s p a c e . c o m / e n d o r s e

The Revs are a brilliant Irish band and their new album is great.

Arctic Monkeys
Aqualung
Get Him Eat Him
Stars
Bloc Party
Frou Frou
Boys Like Girls
The Shins
Postal Service

The list can go on .. there's a lot of great music out there, but not really on tv and radio =\

Uhmm...i think the kid who posted this thread hasnt posted for like a year...i think it should be closed...its sure not doing its purpose