Noise
 

I wasn't really sure where to post this. Anyway, I don't listen to much Noise Rock other than Lightning Bolt and a few other Load Records band. Can anyone recommend some?

EDIT: I'll be specific, I already listen to...

Arab On Radar
Black Dice
Can't
Ex Models
Hella
The Mae Shi
Neptune
Sunburned Hand of the Man
Thunderbirds Are Now!
The USA Is Monster

Just to give you an idea. Some of those aren't quite Noise, I was being a little general genre-wise.

Melt Banana
DFA79
Arab on Radar

will make you cream yourself.

I listen to Melt Banana and Arab On Radar. DFA1979 I'm not much of a fan of.

Hm, despite YOU being the one looking for recommendations, looks like I found myself quite a few bands to check out.

I've got a few Black Dice tunes somewhere, very good I might add.

wolf eyes, merzbow

Heard of both, but never actually listened. I'll check them out.

you like electronica noise? can recommend a lot of those... you've mentioned all the guitar/indie ones i know ;)

Sure, go ahead. Keep in mind I already listen to pretty much all of Alien8 Records, so try to avoid naming those artists.

Wolf Eyes and Merzbow have already been mentioned but so worth a listen

Animal Collective

Electronica:

Pan Sonic - Kesto (234.48:4)
Matmos - A Chance to Cut Is a Chance to Cure (all done with sounds recorded from a hospital and people surgeries!!)

john weise
boredoms
the books
harvey milk
tribes of neurot (more ambient)
the chinese stars
xiu xiu
also... check out EARTHs and SUNN0)))s new stuff...

the only really noise one there john weise, but by the lists given, i figure checking these out

ps. merzbow rules.

Ex Models
Dance Disaster Movement
XBXRX

Black Eyes
!Forward, Russia!
Fake Shark-Real Zombie!
Liars
The Murder of Rosa Luxemburg
Q & Not U
Six Finger Satellite
So Many Dynamos
Test Icicles
These Arms Are Snakes
Transistor Transistor

Times New Viking

Drive Like Jehu
Guitar Wolf
Nervous Cop
The Plot to Blow Up the Eiffel Tower
Seawhores

AIDS Wolf
An Albatross
Daughters
Head Wound City
Holy Molar
Tower of Rome
Tunes for Bears to Dance to





I was gonna make a Chinese Stars thread, but decided to post here instead. Anyway, there are some recommendations from a number of genres. And remember, LISTEN TO MORE CHINESE STARS

Times New Viking isn't really noise. It's straightforward indie pop with all the settings wrong on the mixing machine. Very wrong.

gota love Merzbow

also
The Grey Wolves
Con-Dom
Converter
Nic Endo
Genocide Organ
Government Alpha

I have big big love for Melt Banana.

nope, it's called Noise-pop.

I don't care WHAT you've heard it's called, your show-offery with your names comes off as comical more than it does clued-up or anything else.

TNV are not a noise band. It just so happens that their sound is very noisey. This is due to an extremely, comically lo-fi recording "aesthetic", if you can call it that (it's actually just turning up all the wrong dials). Underneath all the torturous noise is simply an indie pop band making bog standard indie pop music.

If anything, I'd accept describing the sound as "Deathfuzz".

noise-pop is a recognized genre, whether you like it or not. seriously, just stop posting; you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to anything.

I didn't deny it was a recognized genre. I denied the validity of classing TNV under it. They are not a true noise band, and no real noise music aficionado would accept them as such. Anybody who claims otherwise truly does not know what they are talking about.

Now how about YOU stop posting until you reach the point where you're able to understand simple sentences, eh? Also, just in case you really hadn't realized, your use of genre terms all over the boards especially in your EDM posts comes across as absolutely comical and ridiculous. If you think it makes you appear clued up, you're very far being right. Good day to you, sir.

Uh, you do know that that's basically what all Noise Pop bands are?

Of course Times New Viking Noise aren't Noise in the traditional Merzbow/Massona/whatever sense, but they definitely fall under the Noise umbrella.

Besides, there are a lot of bands mentioned in this thread that are a lot further from Noise than TNV.

No - but that's what a lot of people seem to refer to as "noise pop", which I think is a mislabeling if ever there was one. Just because something is comically fuzzy does not in my mind prove a sufficient condition for associating it with noise music.

Same answer - I just do not see that most fans of real noise music would particularly want poor standard indie trash like TNV under the umbrella, so to speak.

I agree, though when reading that post in particular TNV stood out like a sore thumb as I'd been listening to them quite extensively earlier on in the year and saw it for, imo, what it really was.

But I accept that these sorts of classifications are somewhat relative and there's room for debate - I appreciate the discussion, and not the idiotic insults of a certain other individual.

Except the difference between Japanese harsh noise and say, the noise rock coming out of Boston right now (Neptune, Magic People, etc.) that the definition of what "real" Noise is changes depending on who you ask. Noise (and all its sub-genres), Noise Rock, and Noise Pop are all so completely different at this point that it's almost impossible to define what's "real" Noise and what isn't.

That is probably true - these things are very relative to who you might ask or encounter. Nevertheless, I'd like to think that "noise pop/noise rock" is something more meaningful than writing a few very mediocre but always formulaic pop tracks and then just fucking up the settings on your mixer. I'd like to think an entirely separate genre term would exist in order to say a little bit more about stylistic considerations and defining characteristics than that. But then, I may be in the minority.

times new viking are a lo-fi-garage-noise-rock band

Hate to jump on the bandwagon, but these are not noise.
!Forward, Russia! is definitely post punk revival.
Q & Not U- indie dance punk
These Arms Are Snake- probably post-hardcore

If you want some good noise (and i mean noise, noise rock, not noise pop, etc.),
check out prurient (part of the providence noise scene, which is worth a look into).
also, i like wake up snake, a short-lived charleston band that fell somewhere between post-hardcore and noise

Least somebody else sees what I'm talking about here. Loz, it's as bad as some of those generic metal bands that add operatic vocals and then all of a sudden are considered neo-classical.

If a normal verse-chorus-verse pop song + a bit of fuzz = noise music, then as of 2008 we're in sad sad territory.

except for that's pretty much how jamc created noise pop in the 80's... love it or leave it buddy.

i think people misuse the genre "noise" far too often.
real "noise" has little, if no, structure, lots of feedback and basically a lot of experimentation, be it circuit bending, static, etc.

sorry if i'm rambling, but it's a sore spot with me.
like lightning bolt, japanther, hella and DFA79 are NOT noise.
....okay, i'm done

Well...the thread IS entitled noise, so I think it's perfectly reasonable to go on with this line of discussion.

Fuzzy vocals, humming amplifiers, tinny drum sounds, hissing, distortion, aliasing, and a general cheap, thin, narrow frequency response.

What did I just describe? If you answered "noise music", our survey says: eh eh! If you answered lo-fi, DING! Right answer. But what is lo-fi? In many ways it's not really a genre of music, but a recording aesthetic - at least I'd argue so, anyway. This is because you could add a lo-fi effect to any sort of music, be it hiphop (it often was), punk, indie rock, electronia or anything else. But more importantly, even in the indie/alternative sense of the word, you can find two bands who essentially sound very similar in their songwriting, with the only difference being that one records lo-fi, the other does not.

Calling TNV "noise" is a suggestion that noise and lo-fi are synonymous and interchangable. If a straight up lo-fi indie pop band like the aforementioned is "noise", then all lo-fi bands might as well be similarly labeled "noise". It can't be had one way and not the other. It's either all in, or not at all.

Bands like Sonic Youth and My Bloody Valentine are closer to the notion of "noise rock" owing to their experimentation with atonal noise and, essentially, free song structures. But other bands of late have only been associated with noise due to nothing more than merely taking the lo-fi sound to the extreme, or often, just being lo-fi period. And, at least for me, that does not warrant the classification. LOZ, if Slanted & Enchanted were to come out now in 2008, these same people would probably lump it in with noise rock.

When you do take lo-fi to the extreme where the feedback and hissing become prominent elements of the music, that makes it indistinguishable from noise pop. You seem to have some sort of strange definition of noise rock which requires "atonal noise," which all noise is, even TNV's amp feedback, and free song structures, which I can assure you MBV does not have, and something that is certainly not present in most noise pop, which by definition mostly sticks to pop song structures.

This is not a recent development either, there are lots of bands that have taken lo-fi to an extreme who are considered noise rock. Take Electric Eels, Trumans Water, Velvet Underground, Destroy all Monsters, etc.

A few noise artists:
Merzbow
Masonna
Macronympha

A few noise-rock bands:
Boredoms
Big Black
Swans

A few noise-pop bands:
The Jesus and Mary Chain
Mercury Rev
Pale Saints

I don't feel it's any more a "prominent element" of the music itself whether it's extremely lo-fi or if it's slightly lo-fi. The noise would need to feature almost as if an instrument in its own right, and not just some byproduct of the recording process such that it merely sounds like a badly recorded pop song.

That was, experimentation with atonal noise. I don't see that merely having a high degree of "lo-fi-ness" constitutes experimentation with atonal noise, certainly not at this stage in rock history.

When I say free song structure I include an anti-structure approach within that. MBV do not have it? I apologize if that is the case - it has been a while since listening to Loveless but I seem to distinctly recall that several tracks are clearly on the anti-structure side of things, as in one passage pretty much repeats over and over again for 5 minutes and that's it. I may be wrong, but that's how I remember said album.

I don't see that noise pop sticks mostly to pop song structures at all - much prototypical noise pop have single recurrent passages throughout their tracks. The "pop" part is attributed to the use of melodious vocals, type of beat, and certain other instrumental elements typically involved.

Truman Water and so forth got their noise rock credentials for being other than merely lo-fi. It is in reference to those parts of their music that do focus on free improvisation and so forth. Plus they definitely used noise like an instrument, as stipulated above. And not just simply a fuzzy recording quality.

Out of interest have you listened to TNV? If so, what's your view of them?

I disagree with this, and that to me is exactly where the appeal
of bands like TNV comes in, in that they break down the distinction
between what a piece is "supposed to sound like" and what it ultimately
does sound like due to recording limitations. Ultimately, it isn't "supposed"
to sound clean even though it is a melodic pop song- it's supposed to
sound dirty, jagged, and discordant. The conflict between those elements
and the melodious pop tendencies is what makes it interesting.

Well don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that it's immensely
progressive or revolutionary, but I don't think noise has to be.
It just has to rely, on some level, on noise to make its impact.

I have, and I think they're pretty good, though probably
not my favorite band from the "Ohio scene," and Ohio
has always put out incredible garage rock.

once again, rainard epic fails due to a lack of basic comprehension


remind me when i claimed these were all straight noise bands? these are recommendations you twit, bands that i think a noise fan might enjoy, seeing as they all contain elements and conventions of noise. post-punk has noise elements, no wave has noise elements, noisecore has noise elements, etc.


you should really read before you reply, rainard.

Dunno about that.

They just sound like your typical white boy indie guitar band , only recorded very very badly to me.

Still waiting to see if you can actually direct a post towards me without having to resort to insults... Then we can discuss.

Exactly. That sums up the whole point. Bad recording =/= a noise hybrid genre.

i won't stop resorting to insults until you prove you have an iota of sense and/or intelligence in you

go ahead and keep dodging questions, though, by all means

Don't get me wrong I don't dislike them.
There's just something about the whole bad production thing that bothers me. It just seems a bit fake to me , like they're desperate for a gimmick. I don't see how it adds to the music in any way.

I don't know if you looked at the title of this thread.
But I can refresh your memory--
it's called "NOISE".
not "kinda noise".
or "sorta noise".