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joderu95 05-01-2008 10:13 AM

Wilco is a fine band. What I don't get is why no love for Son Volt? If you force me to choose between the two Uncle Tupelo offshoots I'd have to go for Son Volt. They seem a little more versatile than Wilco and I just really like the way Farrar's voice sounds. Both wonderful bands though.

sleepy jack 05-07-2008 03:22 PM

How isn't Wilco country? You have a very narrow-view of music if you think country ends with Hank Williams that's like saying rock ends with Elvis. Wilco is alt-country defined. People need to stop assuming just because a band has the typical guitarist/bassist/drummer line-up they're a rock band.

ProggyMan 05-11-2008 11:10 PM

Why do you have to include insults about people's intelligence with every one of your posts?

sleepy jack 05-12-2008 06:32 PM

Well I would reply but I'm obviously too unintelligent. I mean I don't think Wilco sounds like most of those artists. Dwight Yoakam? Give me a break. I think half the artists you listed sound nothing alike eachother. Stupid me!

sleepy jack 05-12-2008 06:49 PM

Problem with that is Dwight Yoakam isn't alternative country. Not only was he all over country radio but he sounds like half the artists on country radio today. You're the one who needs to educate himself because frankly it looks like you just name-dropped a bunch of artists and then slapped the term on them. Wilco isn't rock and you've yet to explain how they're rock you just made a bunch of ill comparisons in hope it would hide the fact you didn't actually explain how Wilco are rock. So please explain how Wilco are rock instead of trying to dazzle everyone with your faux-musical knowledge.

sleepy jack 05-12-2008 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Slint (Post 479362)
Being on the radio has nothing to do with being alternative music. If you think that what you said is true, then how do you defend against Beastie Boys, The Cure, Nirvana, R.E.M., The Smashing Pumpkins, and U2, all alternative pop/rock artists who get plenty of airplay?

Alternative music is basically alternative to mainstream music which has a lot to do with being on the radio or not. You can be on the radio and be alternative but you have to be doing something that isn't middle of the road popular country which Dwight Yoakam does.

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I have yet to hear you explain how Wilco are country rather than rock, but fine. First of all, not even all of their albums are alternative country-rock albums (and none of them are country albums). A Ghost Is Born doesn't have any alternative country-rock in it.
Here's the proof (one of their best song):

I would like one source (outside of this web site) that you could show me that shows Wilco is a country band and not a rock band.
I hate it when people argue like this. Your average Wilco song tends to sound more like Jesus, Etc. or The Late Greats. So I'd like you to explain how the majority of their work, including the tracks I listed, are rock as opposed to picking and choosing your own examples to help your argument.

sleepy jack 05-12-2008 07:43 PM

You know what I'm not even going to argue with you on this because it's obvious you're too caught up in being "right" to bother listening to any sort of reason. I mean the fact you think I'm lacking confidence by choosing the Late Greats as opposed to the original one I picked I Am Trying to Break Your Heart just shows your complete lack of knowledge of Wilco's music seeing as they sound very similar stylistically. Oh and I referenced the Late Greats which isn't off of Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, good job screwing up the title by the way. Obviously you're the real Wilco fan here.

sleepy jack 05-12-2008 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Slint (Post 479370)
Well, aside from the fact that I own every album they've released, I guess I don't know Wilco music. Way to spring one on me. Listening to reason? You haven't listened to anything I've said. You dodge all the points I make while I always address yours point by point. If anything you've got it backwards, as your not listening to my reasoning.

The great irony of this whole post is:

1. You don't explain the stylistic difference between I Am Trying to Break Your Heart and the Late Greats.

2. You still haven't addressed how the Late Greats is on "Yankee Foxtrot Hotel"

3. You also haven't addressed your inability as the great Wilco fan to explain why you couldn't even get the album title correct.

Good job being the one on the high road here and always addressing points!

sleepy jack 05-12-2008 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Slint (Post 479373)
1. Their not all that different. Their both rock songs.

How are they rock songs?

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Originally Posted by Slint (Post 479373)
2. I explained this when I edited my post above. Read it.

Odd...seeing as you'd acknowledged my edit and had still said that...

sleepy jack 05-12-2008 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Slint (Post 479375)
I guess you forgot to address points two and three. What a shocker.

I did address point two and I guess I can tear into you some more for point 3 if you want but I don't see a point.

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Originally Posted by Slint (Post 479375)
Why don't we try this in reverse for once and I get to ask you. How are they country songs?

They're almost folk tunes in their simplicity. I don't see how the songs are much different from some of the stuff Johnny Cash has done. They're very simple acoustic driven songs with no rock elements whatsoever.

Oh and as for Jesus, Etc. it's very country sounding, slowed-down and rootsy. It even has a steel guitar (at least on the live version) and violins, hardly very "rock" instruments.

Finally I'd like to add alternative-country-rock is kind of a stupid term because alt. country is basically country with non-country elements (i.e. rock or in cases like Okkervil River indie-folk) so Wilco having rock elements or being alternative-country-rock is basically the same thing. This is just you showing your typical analism when it comes to genre. None of the Wilco fans here (and there are some huge ones like sweet jane and hookers) have complained about this being here in fact they even think Wilco is alternatve country. You're being ridiculous.


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