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Robotnik 03-02-2009 07:28 AM

I used to love Oasis a lot, nowadays I still kind of like them, mostly the first two albums.

I've never heard a Blur album, but I've liked pretty much every song I've heard by them. I like the Gorillaz more though.

WolfAtTheDoor 03-02-2009 05:11 PM

**** off with Gorillaz

t00117598 03-05-2009 05:10 AM

Blur are one of the best bands ever and damon albarn is a genius. i think oasis are a really good band for pubs and festivals but i wouldn't listen to them when im by myself, they just don't have any dept. blur all the way!

scottsy 03-07-2009 11:22 PM

Albarn is a good songwriter and I love most of his stuff... but a genius....... hmmmmmm, well, not too sure about that notion...

WolfAtTheDoor 03-08-2009 02:59 PM

nah, he is a genius. An unlikeable, goonish genius.

sweet_nothing 05-12-2009 11:51 PM

Liam Gallagher To Disband Oasis If Noel Goes Solo | News @ Ultimate-Guitar.Com

DReills84 05-13-2009 08:02 AM

I bought all Oasis' singles and albums when I was younger, I was really into them in the 90's. I used to love that for only a fiver you'd always get four good tracks. They knew the imporatance of a good B-Side. I love most of their albums. Never really liked Heathen Chemistry too much, but I think Don't Believe The Truth was a great CD and I quite like Dig Out Your Soul, I'm Outta Time in particular, is one of my favourite Oasis tracks. I'm also a huge fan of Be Here Now, which is not too popular a statement these days.

I always liked Blur but not to the same extent. However, in the last couple of years I've really got into them. I love the ''Think Tank'' and ''Parklife'' albums in particular. Every other album has loads of great tunes as well. There is something about listening to them that has a really nostalgic feel too. Damon albarn and Graham Coxon together are a great partnership also.

I'm gonna see both bands live this Summer, so I suppose after the two gigs I could make a judgement on who I prefer!

scottsy 05-13-2009 09:54 PM

From all the video footage I have seen, an Oasis gig looks to have one heck of a good atmosphere and vibe to it... but musically speaking I think I'd still prefer seeing Blur...

Mojo 05-18-2009 06:30 AM

Oasis live is somewhat of a hit or miss situation, especially these days as Liam's voice deteriorates further every day. If you catch them on a good day then they are still a fantastic live band but their poorer gigs come round a little too often these days. Does anyone remember the Wembley gigs in 2000? The Wembley gigs are a perfect example. The one recorded for CD and DVD (released as "Familiar to Millions") was brilliant and the one broadcast on Sky One was dreadful. Liam was smashed, slurring his words, only singing what lyrics he could be bothered to sing and talking both between and during songs about whatever was on his mind, and none of it made any sense. Noel looked just a little cheesed off throughout and probably let him have it afterwards.

DReills84 05-18-2009 07:41 AM

Every gig I've been to has been great. When I saw them in Marley Park in Dublin in 2005 it was one of the best gigs I've ever been to. I've never seen Blur play, really lookin forward to that.

coryallen2 05-18-2009 07:54 AM

I think I have to go with Oasis.

edwardbroadway 05-18-2009 12:09 PM

Definitely Oasis, they're got a lot of great tunes.

WolfAtTheDoor 05-19-2009 04:57 AM

To be fair, I don't even know how the two get compared so often, other than the fact that they both shot into fame around the same time. Oasis are pure and simple rock, a territory Blur has never really delved into (maybe they experimented with it on '13', but that was after 'The Battle of Britpop' anyway). Blur's closest contemporaries are Pulp, another massively underrated band from the 90's.

Oasis have pretty much overshadowed everything else that has come out from that decade, and it's unfair because nothing they did was ever that revolutionary. Blur and Pulp's influence on the music world is something that will never fade away, while we're seeing the fruit of Oasis' womb (The Enemy, The Courteeners) die a terrible death.

DReills84 05-19-2009 05:52 AM

Just because a band spawns a lot of bands not quite up to it, doesn't mean they were not making good music. If a band can be responsible for kids wanting to make music then kudos.

I wouldn't say Pulp were underrated, Different Class for me epitomises the whole Britpop era better than any other album, but I don't really think any of their other stuff is that great, and they are recognised as being one of the best bands of the 90's from Britain.

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Originally Posted by WolfAtTheDoor (Post 661887)
To be fair, I don't even know how the two get compared so often, other than the fact that they both shot into fame around the same time. Oasis are pure and simple rock, a territory Blur has never really delved into (maybe they experimented with it on '13', but that was after 'The Battle of Britpop' anyway). Blur's closest contemporaries are Pulp, another massively underrated band from the 90's.

Oasis have pretty much overshadowed everything else that has come out from that decade, and it's unfair because nothing they did was ever that revolutionary. Blur and Pulp's influence on the music world is something that will never fade away, while we're seeing the fruit of Oasis' womb (The Enemy, The Courteeners) die a terrible death.


patrick_irish_man 05-19-2009 12:10 PM

I like both (i think thats ok nowadays) But i think Blur were the more accomplished artists! having said that i wouldnt say no to Oasis tickets :L
The Enemy are they not more like The Jam? Whats so bad about them anyway.....

DReills84 05-20-2009 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by patrick_irish_man (Post 662059)
I like both (i think thats ok nowadays) But i think Blur were the more accomplished artists! having said that i wouldnt say no to Oasis tickets :L
The Enemy are they not more like The Jam? Whats so bad about them anyway.....

They are ****e!
I got my mate aother ticket on ticketmaster.ie less than two weeks ago, think they released more. Check it out!

Mirrorball95 05-20-2009 06:51 AM

Oasis suck, fair enough you cant take the first album away from them, but they should never have got as big & as overblown as they were & surprisingly still are...

I think they just came along at the right time as it was all dance music that dominated at that time & they were seen as 'the saviours of british rock' or whatever, whereas it was really Suede who started the whole Britpop thing off but of course they dont get the credit they deserve.
If you look at a lot of their contemporaries who were seen as being 'beneath them' are actually a lot better- Cast,Pulp especially, The Verve, Kula Shaker, Shack, Manic Street Preachers, Charlatans, Black Grape plus more.

I actually heard that when Oasis were first starting out, people in Manchester were saying that Liam Gallagher was totally ripping off Tim Burgess from the Charlatans.
Then when Oasis got big people heard the Charlatans & thought it was the other way about!
I also thought this when I first heard the Charlatans album 'Tellin' Stories' until I backtracked and found this out :D


Im not that big on Blur but I do like Damon Albarn's ideas (Gorillaz & Good Bad & The Queen) & think he is a much more gifted musician than the Gallaghers- who are just a couple of boring, talentless knob-ends.
I must in this case say Blur just for the simple fact that they re-defined the band with their last album 'Think Tank' & also went on to do even better things- namely Gorillaz & Good Bad & The Queen.
Also Graham Coxon's solo career is pretty cool at points.

So for this reason alone I must say Blur.

DReills84 05-20-2009 08:54 AM

Kula Shaker?? You can't be serious!! Liam was actually ripping off Ian Brown, Noel pointed him out to Liam at Spike Island in 1990 and told him that was how to do it! Although in the video for ''The Only One I Know'', from 1991, the resemblance is there, so how anyone could say Burgess ripped him off is beyond me.

I know why people don't like Oasis, but I will always love them. They made me want to listen to bands like The Who, The Beatles, The Stone Roses, David Bowie and The Rolling Stones. When I was ten years old I bought the Live Forever single and that made me start to listen to the music I still love today. I've almost every song they've recorded and there is very very few I don't like. Thats not a common occurrance for me with many artists.

I do like the good, the bad and the queen but don't really like the gorillaz. I agree with you on Think Thank!

Mirrorball95 05-20-2009 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DReills84 (Post 662616)
Kula Shaker?? You can't be serious!! Liam was actually ripping off Ian Brown, Noel pointed him out to Liam at Spike Island in 1990 and told him that was how to do it! Although in the video for ''The Only One I Know'', from 1991, the resemblance is there, so how anyone could say Burgess ripped him off is beyond me.

I know why people don't like Oasis, but I will always love them. They made me want to listen to bands like The Who, The Beatles, The Stone Roses, David Bowie and The Rolling Stones. When I was ten years old I bought the Live Forever single and that made me start to listen to the music I still love today. I've almost every song they've recorded and there is very very few I don't like. Thats not a common occurrance for me with many artists.

I do like the good, the bad and the queen but don't really like the gorillaz. I agree with you on Think Thank!

Kula Shaker are insanely talented and a great band, especially for that song they had in the charts that consisted solely of foreign lyrics (Govinda).
Yeah, I dont think Liam Gallagher resembles Ian Brown in any way shape or form TBH.

As for the 'Only One I Know' video, yes the Charlatans were taking off the Roses in their early days but the thing about them is that they changed their style with every album they put out.
Just look at 'Tellin' Stories' which people would say was them ripping off Oasis, but the real fact is that Liam Gallagher copied Tim Burgess & then it just so happened that it was Oasis who hit the big time.

I dont totally hate Oasis.
I just despise them for all their arrogance & disrespect for music in general.
Also I find their music far too self indulgent at times.

Ill let you in on a wee secret.
I used to actually be a really big Oasis fan up till a couple of years ago when I stopped listening to them and started listening to the likes of Neil Young, Dylan & just exploring a lot more artists.

My attitude towards music in general has changed since I stopped listening to them.

I still like their B-Sides, although dont really bother to listen to them anymore.
The B Sides were always my favourite, especially 'Sad Song'.

Ive since learnt that their music is pretty shallow, the vocals pretty mediocre & just in general there are far too many more interesting, talented & better artists out there for me to be listening to Oasis anymore.

scottsy 05-23-2009 09:15 AM

I still maintain that Oasis were great until their third album when it all totally went to their head... the egos, the drugs, the fights, whatever.... all got pretty tired at that point because the music got overbloated, repetitive and full of the expected rock cliches that we've all come to dread and tire of...

But maybe, just maybe, for a couple of years and a couple of albums they actually were one of the best bands in the world as far as melodic stadium rock goes. They certainly had a big sound and some really big choruses to match. I almost wish I didn't get rid of my copies of (Whats the Story?) Morning Glory and Definitely Maybe.... because in hindsight, they were actually pretty strong albums with very few dud songs on them.

Urban Hat€monger ? 05-23-2009 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mirrorball95 (Post 662937)
Kula Shaker are insanely talented and a great band, especially for that song they had in the charts that consisted solely of foreign lyrics (Govinda).

And to anyone with any knowledge of sanskrit it was a complete joke.

Mirrorball95 05-25-2009 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 664983)
And to anyone with any knowledge of sanskrit it was a complete joke.

Well its still a really good song & to me Kula Shaker are pretty underrated. I always appreciate and respect artists who do stuff like that.

scottsy 05-25-2009 06:45 PM

I always had big soft apot for Peasants, Pigs and Astronauts... great album, that channels alot of my tastes in music. Actuslly far superior musically to practically anything Oasis ever cobbled together and better than some Blur albums if you aswk me... it's a shame they didn't go further...

Albop 05-25-2009 07:45 PM

Blur>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oasis

Hope this helps.

scottsy 05-25-2009 08:40 PM

Immensely.

1KOD1KO 05-26-2009 01:42 AM

Can anyone here think of any rockish songs with a big "woohoo-moment" in? Just like in "song 2"????

scottsy 05-30-2009 10:13 PM

Song 2 is really the only "woooooooooohooooooooo" moment in it that I can think of!

Mirrorball95 06-06-2009 05:52 AM

Song 2 sucks man. Blur's best album is 'Think Tank' & I like Damon Albarn's later works as opposed to Oasis' continious drivel. At least Blur knew when to call it a day.

sweet_nothing 06-06-2009 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mirrorball95 (Post 674918)
Song 2 sucks man. Blur's best album is 'Think Tank' & I like Damon Albarn's later works as opposed to Oasis' continious drivel. At least Blur knew when to call it a day.

Blur without Graham was horrible, and they never broke up.

Mirrorball95 06-06-2009 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sweet_nothing (Post 674999)
Blur without Graham was horrible, and they never broke up.

I think Coxon played on about 4 tracks or something on 'Think Tank'. Yeah, whatever they didnt 'officially' split up but they didnt make an album for quite a while you know. Call it a 'hiatus' if you wish. As for 'Think Tank' I rank it as their best album & shows that Graham Coxon wasnt all that important & perhaps his abscense allowed Albarn to be a bit more of a free spirit.
Dont get me wrong, Coxon's alright; I have a few of his solo albums 'Sky Is Too High' & 'Happiness In Magazines'. Also his stuff can also be surprisingly heavy at times.

Engine 06-06-2009 05:15 PM

I ignored both bands at their heighth of popularity because I thought that they killed Britpop by stealing the sounds of (my favorite) bands like Ride and The Stone Roses and making it something worse.
But anyway, I eventually came around...I like early Oasis a lot better than almost all Blur. But I don't like Oasis after their mid-90s stuff and I really like what Albarn has done lately, especially his band/project, The Good, The Bad, and The Queen.

Mirrorball95 06-06-2009 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Engine (Post 675242)
I ignored both bands at their heighth of popularity because I thought that they killed Britpop by stealing the sounds of (my favorite) bands like Ride and The Stone Roses and making it something worse.
But anyway, I eventually came around...I like early Oasis a lot better than almost all Blur. But I don't like Oasis after their mid-90s stuff and I really like what Albarn has done lately, especially his band/project, The Good, The Bad, and The Queen.

I pretty much agree with everything you said there, I think most other Britpop bands were actually better than them. I also agree that Albarn's more recent stuff is very good & Good The Bad & The Queen was excellent man.
Have you heard 'Think Tank'?

Urban Hat€monger ? 06-06-2009 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Engine (Post 675242)
I ignored both bands at their heighth of popularity because I thought that they killed Britpop by stealing the sounds of (my favorite) bands like Ride and The Stone Roses and making it something worse.
But anyway, I eventually came around...I like early Oasis a lot better than almost all Blur. But I don't like Oasis after their mid-90s stuff and I really like what Albarn has done lately, especially his band/project, The Good, The Bad, and The Queen.

Boring generic shitty bands like Shed 7 , The Longpigs , Ocean Colour Scene & Cast killed Britpop.

It was already dead before Oasis released anything crap.

Engine 06-07-2009 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 675288)
Boring generic shitty bands like Shed 7 , The Longpigs , Ocean Colour Scene & Cast killed Britpop.

It was already dead before Oasis released anything crap.

I s'pose. All I know is that I didn't much like Britpop after, say, '92-ish. I'm not sure any particular bands are responsible for this -- even my favorites disappointed me greatly after that time.

Mirrorball95 06-07-2009 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 675288)
Boring generic shitty bands like Shed 7 , The Longpigs , Ocean Colour Scene & Cast killed Britpop.

It was already dead before Oasis released anything crap.

I agree that the music from these bands (compared to your Grincore/Post Punk or whatever) is boring but only in comparison. I also recognise that the music is bland compared to a lot of other types of music you may & I am certainly into. But I think Shed 7 are pretty underrated, especially the 'A Maximum High' album. I aint to big on The Longpigs but have their album 'The Sun Is Often Out'. Ocean Colour Scene (used to) be excellent & I think they have a very strong back catalogue. I wasnt too ken on the latest album 'On The Leyline' though & kind of lost interest after hearing it. I have yet to hear 'Hyperactive Workout For The Flying Squad' though (which was the album previous). Finally, Cast are one of my favourite Indie bands & I think really are one of the real gems of the Britpop scene & Im not referring to the 'All Change' album alone like most people do.

EDIT: Suede are often overlooked; as they were the ones who pioneered Britpop in the early 90s, when Blur were still busy imitating The Stone Roses & Oasis were still demoing.

MonsterofFolk 07-24-2009 06:22 AM

Oasis
 
Ok, so i just listened to (what's the story) Morning Glory for the first time ever and i was just like WTF why had I not heard of this band earlier.
The whole album was great from beginning to end, so great that i dont think i'll even want to get any more of their albums because there is no way any of them can beat what i just listened to.
Oh, and i have to thank the itunes genius toolbar for throwing me the recommendation.

jesse89 07-28-2009 05:33 AM

I prefer Blur, I wish people would listen to more of them than just "Song 2"

halfeek 07-28-2009 06:59 AM

all.

scottsy 07-28-2009 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MonsterofFolk (Post 708768)
Ok, so i just listened to (what's the story) Morning Glory for the first time ever and i was just like WTF why had I not heard of this band earlier.
The whole album was great from beginning to end, so great that i dont think i'll even want to get any more of their albums because there is no way any of them can beat what i just listened to.
Oh, and i have to thank the itunes genius toolbar for throwing me the recommendation.

I'd have to agree with you that What's The Story Morning Glory is a pretty ace and darn solid album from start to finish... for me there a few lyrical missteps, but we all know the Gallagher brothers were not Shakespeare... those quibbles aside its darn good songwriting on display.... it's such a shame their new record got so overbloated and tarnished them along with, of course the public infighting and alleged other problems...

Mojo 07-29-2009 03:57 AM

Their new record was really good I think. Better than Don't Believe The Truth, better than Heathen Chemistry, better than Standing On The Shoulder of Giants. Sometimes I would argue it's better than Be Here Now but i'm undecided if I would go that far back into their catalogue for this one.

Whats The Story, as with all Oasis albums is no lyrical masterpiece, that is true but it's full of tracks that, in many ways, became instant classics of that era. I accept Noel Gallagher for what he was/is really, he's no genius, he won't claim to be but he certainly had a knack for writing accessible, poppy, melodic "pub" rock songs and at times I need stuff like that.

The infighting really gets on my nerves too, i'm sick of hearing about it. It doesn't seem to happen as much now, they have grown up to an extent, especially Noel but I was always sick of reading about it. They are brothers, they fight, who cares? Their fights end up in the paper because of their celebrity and the media will spin it in such a way to show Oasis crumbling apart from the inside out but it could just be as easily explained as two brothers arguing.


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