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Old 05-24-2009, 10:35 AM   #111 (permalink)
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love joy division and new order

combine the two and you probably have one of the best 5 bands of all time

I deriously believe if Ian Curtis never killed himself, and Joy Division/New Order survived the 80's, they would be considered hands down the best band of all time.....










.....other than the Beatles.
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Old 05-24-2009, 08:54 PM   #112 (permalink)
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I think if Ian lived they still would of gone onto make electronic music because Ian had very little to do with the musical aspect of the band, so Im sure they wouldve been pretty much the same just with better lyrics. Also I'd wouldve loved to see Ian dance to Blue Monday.
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Old 05-29-2009, 03:45 PM   #113 (permalink)
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I deriously believe if Ian Curtis never killed himself, and Joy Division/New Order survived the 80's, they would be considered hands down the best band of all time.....










.....other than the Beatles.
thats a bold statement. i love joy division but will still admit that the vocals were real dodgy and that some of the songs get old real fast.
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Old 05-29-2009, 04:43 PM   #114 (permalink)
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I deriously believe if Ian Curtis never killed himself, and Joy Division/New Order survived the 80's, they would be considered hands down the best band of all time.....










.....other than the Beatles.
I don't think there is any chance. Irrelevant to their credentials, their music never made more then a small dent of an impression on the masses.
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Old 05-29-2009, 05:06 PM   #115 (permalink)
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the masses are also the people who made Kate Perry huge. Joy Division is hugely influential in the music world.
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Old 05-29-2009, 05:27 PM   #116 (permalink)
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I think if Ian lived they still would of gone onto make electronic music because Ian had very little to do with the musical aspect of the band, so Im sure they wouldve been pretty much the same just with better lyrics. Also I'd wouldve loved to see Ian dance to Blue Monday.
But on the other hand there are several reasons why New Order went down the electronic road. One was Bernard Sumner's reluctance at the beginning to become a fully fledged 'rock' frontman, making the band more along the lines of someone like Kraftwerk where basically the band members shared equal billing.

Secondly he had Gillian Gilbert, his partner in the band. With those two together it meant they could more likely steer the band in the direction they wanted.

And thirdly they were openly looking for New Order to be something different from Joy Division. The stuff they'd written for Joy Divisions 3rd album was scrapped and the stuff that would become New Order's first album still sounded like Joy Division with Sumner singing it anyway.... and it flopped.

With all those things affecting the music and making it change i'm not so sure Joy Division would have gone in that direction had they stayed together.
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Old 08-29-2009, 08:02 AM   #117 (permalink)
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Old 08-29-2009, 02:35 PM   #118 (permalink)
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^^^ Great find!
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Old 08-29-2009, 02:50 PM   #119 (permalink)
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I don't get it...
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Old 08-30-2009, 03:22 PM   #120 (permalink)
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^don't get what?
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