Check out Television......Marquee Moon was a terrific album

I've been listening to a lot of The Comsat Angels' stuff recently, great music.

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both volumes of this are great starting points...tbh there's so much on them it's probably all the dub you'll need.

i like PiL, they were as (if not more of) outrageous a statement at the time as the Pistols, and they practically got gobbed off the stage at their first gig in London...punk had become a self-enclosed and hypocritical establishment in such a short time.
for the dub influenced stuff the Slits' 'Cut' is easily in my top 10 records of all time...the Pop Group are challenging and they have their moments but you have to be in the mood to listen to them. The only member who could play his instrument was the drummer, the rest all recorded their parts separately and the whole album works on a 'cohesion through chaos' basis. still good though!

edit: i don't think their has been such an exciting era of sheer experimentation and diversity since the so-called post-punk years. The only time comparable to me is the mid-to-late 60's. Like then it was an intellectual movement as much as a musical one, just ****loads of ideas. In the end though it probably only payed off for the likes of Devo...

what about the new movement some call post-punk?

see Q & Not U, The Dismemberment Plan, So Many Dynamos

anything new just feels like a rehash, i am permanently frozen in 1981, it's terrible. but that's why i like this forum, because people who know their music are recommending new bands all the time and i am being thawed.

go to cardboard adolescent's blog and download the second This Heat album, Deceit, if you don't have it already. i'm having a religious experience with this album.

somebody mentioned Television...i always though they were more associated with the first wave of 'punk-but-not-punk' bands. They were playing by their rules, except their rules didn't happen to be three chords and barking.


there were alot of mental, avant-garde bands that were around before punk but really flourished in it's glow - Pere Ubu, This Heat..erm that's all i can think of:usehead:

I don't really think bands like Q and Not U, Meneguar, Faraquet are rehashed post-punk bands. They take on a lot of post-hardcore influence and sound quite a bit different. I dig that junk.

yeah, I get that a lot. they're somewhere between post-punk and post-hardcore, in my opinion. whatever it is, it's great. same goes for the dance-punk infused stuff, like Test Icicles and Fake Shark-Real Zombie!

i see what you mean actually, Test Icicles has a big post-hardcore thing going on. the way that album is mixed actually gives me brain seizures. everything is alot more upfront than your standard 'post punk rehash' might be. death from above, although i don't personally rate them, fit into that category nicely too i think. i will sleep better now...

i'd say dfa are just straight out dance-punk, or noise-punk if you like to invent genres