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Revol 03-17-2010 11:09 AM

Stone Roses - S/T vs. Pixies - Dootlittle
 
Arguably the two most important Alternative albums to be released in 1989. Arguably two of the most important Alternative albums of all time. Without the Roses, there'd be no Oasis, without Pixies there'd be no Nirvana.

Musically they're styles apart but I think both bands have similar stories and parrallel histories, and as these two albums are considered to be the magnum opus of each respective band, I thought I'd do a little poll. But which one do you choose?

For me, tough as it is, I'm going to go with The Stone Roses. The perfect pop album, brings back so many memories. Each track is an anthem, and the whole album is a soundtrack to a generation. Their songs still send shivers down my spine.

Pixies, I love them and listening to their songs also give me a sense of nostalgia, but for me, Dootlittle is pipped by the Roses' debut.

Sansa Stark 03-17-2010 11:59 AM

Stone Roses, easy

downwardspiral 03-17-2010 12:15 PM

Pixies, by an absolute country mile. Although I do prefer Surfer Rosa (****ing Gigantic!), I just really don't dig The Stone Roses at all.

So yeah. Doolittle.

James 03-17-2010 03:15 PM

Really tough choice but in the end chose Doolittle because of it being one of the first albums I fell in love with although Stone Roses was the first album I got bought for me. In Doolittle I feel thattheres not a bad or dull moment and all songs have a differant feel and there is a better contrast between tracks whereas with Stone Roses the songs all have a taste of their signature "baggy" sound. Also midway through the Stone Roses I get kind of bored. Its quite strange that the OP mentioned britpop vs. grunge as although im picking Doolittle I prefer Britpop over Grunge.

loveissucide 03-17-2010 08:53 PM

Stone Roses>Pixies.
It meant so much to so many, and still does if you're British or even Irish.

LoathsomePete 03-17-2010 09:02 PM

Would anyone take offense if I change the title of the thread to "Landmark album for British Music vs. Landmark album for North American Music"? That's all what this thread is. I don't think us North Americans quite understand just how much of an impact the Britpop scene had on your music. Sure we got to hear Blur and Oasis go at it for number one but in the end it was just words on paper or images on screens, and I think not being there to experience it is really going to skew your idea of how much of an impact The Stone Roses had in jump starting that scene.

I dunno that's just my interpretation of the whole thing and for me it's going to be Doolittle because well... it's fucking Doolittle! I still remember sitting in my uncles car coming back from like... my 2nd or 3rd day at working in a lumber yard and him putting that album on and just being completely blown away. I had the day off the next day and immediately went out and got that album and enjoyed the hell out of it until I lent it to someone and it got stolen. Pixies have had a far greater impact on my guitar playing as they were one of the first bands I wanted to learn and if I ever get together with a band, regardless of what genre we play, we're doing a cover of "Tame".

James 03-18-2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete (Post 838382)
Would anyone take offense if I change the title of the thread to "Landmark album for British Music vs. Landmark album for North American Music"? That's all what this thread is. I don't think us North Americans quite understand just how much of an impact the Britpop scene had on your music. Sure we got to hear Blur and Oasis go at it for number one but in the end it was just words on paper or images on screens, and I think not being there to experience it is really going to skew your idea of how much of an impact The Stone Roses had in jump starting that scene.
".

Im british and I voted for Doolittle.

TheCunningStunt 03-18-2010 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by loveissucide (Post 838375)
Stone Roses>Pixies.
It meant so much to so many, and still does if you're British or even Irish.

This.

Farfisa 03-18-2010 08:38 PM

Debaser is the only Pixies song I need... The Stone Roses and their s/t just don't do it for me.

Engine 03-18-2010 08:47 PM

I give this poll question a Meh.
These are easily two of the best musical products of their time. I love them both and won't choose.

Sneer 03-19-2010 08:12 AM

Doolittle. Sure, The Stone Roses s/t is culturally significant and stuffed full with really decent pop songs - but Doolittle just packs more of a punch. There's more diversity in the songs and, I think, a greater creativity at its core.

Saying that, I dont care much for either scene these albums helped to spawn.

Revol 03-19-2010 08:57 AM

The Stone Roses didn't make it across the pond, did they?

You guys missed out.

Rickenbacker 03-19-2010 09:30 AM

As a fourteen year old boy from the US, The Pixies should effectively be my band. However, The Stone Roses' debut album changed my life with its brilliant melodies and chiming guitar. A perfect record, "The Stone Roses" easily overshadows The Pixies' "Doolittle" which, despite having some of the best, most awesomely angry material ever, contains too much filler for me to rate it above a 3.5 or so. That said, "Monkey Gone To Heaven" is a better song than anything on "The Stone Roses".

Violent & Funky 03-19-2010 10:21 AM

Doolittle... filler?

Rickenbacker 03-19-2010 02:16 PM

La La Love You, Crackity Jones, Silver etc...

Just a bit of a mess I guess.

Revol 03-19-2010 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickenbacker (Post 838904)
La La Love You, Crackity Jones, Silver etc...

Just a bit of a mess I guess.

Oh come on, how could you knock La Laa Love You?

Violent & Funky 03-19-2010 06:41 PM

Yeah, and 'Crackity Jones' is one of my favorites too...

loveissucide 03-19-2010 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickenbacker (Post 838904)
La La Love You, Crackity Jones, Silver etc...

Just a bit of a mess I guess.

Crackity Jones and La La Love You are great, and Silver is a perfectly good album track. If you wanna take an album down for filler Trompe Le Monde is the one to go after.

Meph1986 03-19-2010 08:27 PM

Doolittle hands down. And I love The Stone Roses' s/t.

Janszoon 03-19-2010 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickenbacker (Post 838904)
La La Love You, Crackity Jones, Silver etc...

Just a bit of a mess I guess.

"Crackity Jones" and "La La Love You" are two of my favorite songs on that album.

Rickenbacker 03-20-2010 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by loveissucide (Post 839000)
Crackity Jones and La La Love You are great, and Silver is a perfectly good album track. If you wanna take an album down for filler Trompe Le Monde is the one to go after.

Just my opinion I guess. For me, The Stone Roses is solid all the way through. I never find myself listening to all of Doolittle anymore, just select tracks.

Urban Hat€monger ? 03-20-2010 11:30 AM

If we're talking about filler I think there's much more of it on the roses album.

I can pretty much listen to Doolittle the whole way through. I find the roses album drags in the middle.
I would think stuff like Don't Stop, Bye Bye Badman, Elizabeth My Dear & Sugar Spun Sister are the epitome of filler tracks.

Rickenbacker 03-20-2010 11:37 AM

Those are some of my favorites to be honest. I consider Waterfall and Don't Stop to be two parts of a whole considering how one flows into the next, but Bye Bye Badman and Sugar Spun Sister are killer. The bridge in Bye Bye Badman is one of my favorite parts. You know, the "I've got bad intentions" part. That's awesome. Elizabeth is effectively filler though. I like the track just because I've always loved variations on that Scarborough Faire melody.

The low point of the album for me is She Bangs The Drums.

Revol 03-20-2010 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 839294)
If we're talking about filler I think there's much more of it on the roses album.

I can pretty much listen to Doolittle the whole way through. I find the roses album drags in the middle.
I would think stuff like Don't Stop, Bye Bye Badman, Elizabeth My Dear & Sugar Spun Sister are the epitome of filler tracks.

Elizabeth My Dear and Don't Stop are definitely filler, but Sugar Spun Sister is a fantastic track and as for Bye Bye Badman, one of my favourite Roses songs ever.

Revol 03-20-2010 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rickenbacker (Post 839302)
The low point of the album for me is She Bangs The Drums.

:yikes:

TheCunningStunt 03-20-2010 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickenbacker (Post 839302)
The low point of the album for me is She Bangs The Drums.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revol (Post 839328)
:yikes:

:yikes: x2

One of the best songs on there.

I don't get why some people think a few tracks are just filler tracks, I think they threw everything they had into this album, track by track it's a brilliant album. Then they put out a shower of shit on Second Coming.

I often wonder what would've happened if they didn't sign with that wanker manager and they weren't legally banned from making albums. Momentum is a very important thing.

loveissucide 03-21-2010 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 839594)
:yikes: x2

One of the best songs on there.

I don't get why some people think a few tracks are just filler tracks, I think they threw everything they had into this album, track by track it's a brilliant album. Then they put out a shower of shit on Second Coming.

I often wonder what would've happened if they didn't sign with that wanker manager and they weren't legally banned from making albums. Momentum is a very important thing.

I dunno, I couldn't see them sustaining that sound and aesthetic too long to be honest. The music was perfect for it's moment, and should be seen as such.

Engine 03-21-2010 06:07 PM

Oh great, now the word "filler" has entered into this already useless debate.

Can somebody define "filler" for me? Every time I see it used on MB it seems to mean "song I don't personally like".
There's no way that Stone Roses or Pixies used "filler" to pad either of these albums to support a couple hits. For sure, Frank Black made every last one of his songs carefully. Maybe the Stone Roses were hungry enough for money that they'd do anything to top the charts but I like to think that didn't happen until Second Coming..

IndiElectronica 03-22-2010 07:36 AM

pixies - more depth if anhything to their music...

loveissucide 03-22-2010 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by IndiElectronica (Post 839882)
pixies - more depth if anhything to their music...

Really find that?I always found Stone Roses held up much better to repeated listening.

Revol 03-22-2010 01:45 PM

Second Coming is quality.

IndiElectronica 03-22-2010 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by loveissucide (Post 839885)
Really find that?I always found Stone Roses held up much better to repeated listening.

yes. but it's not like i'm trashing Stone Roses. Neither album is a huge repeater, but that said both are in my top 50 or so ever albums. They are quite different beasts.

Harry 04-01-2010 07:48 PM

Hate them both. Whiney, screechy excuses for indie music...

loveissucide 04-02-2010 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry (Post 844653)
Hate them both. Whiney, screechy excuses for indie music...

Which makes Babyshambles what then?

Engine 04-02-2010 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry (Post 844653)
Hate them both. Whiney, screechy excuses for indie music...

This is the most shocking thing I've seen on the internet.
Has society really become so debased?

Sansa Stark 04-02-2010 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Revol (Post 839981)
Second Coming is quality.

Is it really? I keep hearing it's shite.

Rickenbacker 04-03-2010 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Engine (Post 845138)
Has society really become so debased?

haaaa....

Harry 04-03-2010 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by loveissucide (Post 845122)
Which makes Babyshambles what then?

Better than them... :crazy:

Flyingpig437 04-03-2010 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Revol (Post 838037)
Arguably the two most important Alternative albums to be released in 1989. Arguably two of the most important Alternative albums of all time. Without the Roses, there'd be no Oasis, without Pixies there'd be no Nirvana.

Musically they're styles apart but I think both bands have similar stories and parrallel histories, and as these two albums are considered to be the magnum opus of each respective band, I thought I'd do a little poll. But which one do you choose?

For me, tough as it is, I'm going to go with The Stone Roses. The perfect pop album, brings back so many memories. Each track is an anthem, and the whole album is a soundtrack to a generation. Their songs still send shivers down my spine.

Pixies, I love them and listening to their songs also give me a sense of nostalgia, but for me, Dootlittle is pipped by the Roses' debut.

The roses album's will always be ruined by Ian Browns lousy singing for me. Great songs though.

TheCunningStunt 04-03-2010 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry (Post 845235)
Better than them... :crazy:

Babyshambles > Stone Roses and The Pixies? :laughing:


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