Is Indie consumerist bullsh*t?

The Batlord · 01-08-2023, 12:42 PM

"What If?" slaps but everything else has lost whatever amount of charm it might have had.

SGR · 01-10-2023, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

alright my response has nothing to do with the video

indie becomes a genre with The Smiths

they were the fresh reintroduction of guitar back into music after synths began to dominate the airwaves

they were not the 1st jangle pop band, but they were the group that defined indie as a distinct genre rather than a DIY distribution model

the indie sound really hasn't changed since they popularized it, favoring folk and 60s girl pop to any kind of blues based heavy bend music

naturally indie goes commercial when The Smiths (move to) sign to a major label, that is why one can still play "indie music" and not be the slightest bit indie in other ways

You're an R.E.M. hater, aren't you?

Queen Boo · 01-27-2023, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I think indie became pretty much synonymous with some form of jangle pop because of The Smiths

compare with "alternative" which a band will get labeled if it instead incorporates hard rock guitars

Why The Smiths? Why not The Feelies? The Soft Boys? The Go-Betweens? The Church? Felt? Orange Juice? Aztec Camera? All those bands were around before The Smiths.

Oh hey you know who else was around before The Smiths? R.E.M.

The Smiths just happened to be the most popular so they get all the credit.

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whack ass Byrd wannabe mother****ers with stupid lyrics

You really are a treasure trove of wrong opinions.

SGR · 01-27-2023, 02:41 PM

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whack ass Byrd wannabe mother****ers with stupid lyrics

Oh come on now, REMs lyrics are usually as cogent as The Fall's lyrics are.

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Thanks for pointing me to the right part of their discography to find the good stuff. I'm at work at the moment but will play your rec later.

Their early stuff is great, but they had a lot of great stuff in the '90s too. If you shy away from it, you'll miss some great stuff.

And personally, I think Up is their best album. So many beautiful songs on that record, it's just crazy.

REM is definitely one of my favorite bands. Besides The Fall and Miles Davis, they're the artist I own the most records of.

Lisnaholic · 01-28-2023, 08:40 AM

That's more like it!!

Thanks for posting some properly good R.E.M. songs. I'll prob check out some more, but on first listen these were the ones I liked best:

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REM is definitely one of my favorite bands. Besides The Fall and Miles Davis, they're the artist I own the most records of.

^ That makes an unusually trilogy of "most owned" records, SGR! Very interesting.
I can only do mine from memory as I no longer have them, but when I was an LP buyer, I had (clear winner) John Fahey, then Dylan, then runners-up prob Beefheart or Allman Bros.

**Janszoon** · 01-28-2023, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

That's more like it!!

Thanks for posting some properly good R.E.M. songs. I'll prob check out some more, but on first listen these were the ones I liked best:

I'm glad you liked "Wolves, Lower"! If you're interested in hearing more, the rest of Chronic Town is great as well, and it's only five tracks long. Their first full length, Murmur, is also very good and has a similar sound.

Synthgirl · 01-28-2023, 10:00 AM

As far as their 90s stuff goes, I really like the Monster album. Definitely a departure from their classic sound, but them experimenting with more distorted guitars was cool to see and I think that whole album is pretty underrated.

Lisnaholic · 01-28-2023, 11:17 AM

^ "Distorted guitars" ?! I'm in, Synthgirl !

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I'm glad you liked "Wolves, Lower"! If you're interested in hearing more, the rest of Chronic Town is great as well, and it's only five tracks long. Their first full length, Murmur, is also very good and has a similar sound.

Thanks. I'll give that a go. "Chronic Town" is a good title, and at 5 tracks long, I'm prepared to commit the time to it .

SGR · 01-28-2023, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

That's more like it!!

Thanks for posting some properly good R.E.M. songs. I'll prob check out some more, but on first listen these were the ones I liked best:

^ That makes an unusually trilogy of "most owned" records, SGR! Very interesting.
I can only do mine from memory as I no longer have them, but when I was an LP buyer, I had (clear winner) John Fahey, then Dylan, then runners-up prob Beefheart or Allman Bros.

Yeah, i suppose it is. It doesn't necessarily mean I'd put REM in my top 3 bands or anything, they've just got a lot of records and I like them enough to buy most of them. The gentle melodies of Buck, Stipe, and Mills were a constant companion through my mid to late teen years, so REM will always have a special place in my heart.

Speaking of REM, I somehow forgot to include this tune, which is on the same record as "E-Bow the Letter" - great stuff:

On the topic of Beefheart, what's your favorite record from his discography?

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This is topic-adjacent, but how did weed come to be called chronic?

If memory serves, it was Dre's first album 'The Chronic' that popularized that slang - I think it was Snoop (or maybe Dre) that misheard 'hydroponic weed' as 'hydrochronic weed'. Or maybe someone who they were smoking with was high and mispronounced it - but anyways, they adopted 'chronic' as a shorthand for that weed and well, I'm sure you can guess the rest of the story, given how well Dre's debut sold.

Lisnaholic · 01-28-2023, 04:52 PM

^ Yes, I've had the same experience: music I loved in my mid to late teens have an unassailable (© OH) place in my heart - which neatly leads into:-

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On the topic of Beefheart, what's your favorite record from his discography?

Trout Mask was my favourite for years, briefly displaced by Spotlight Kid when it came out, then it was back to TMR, although for the last 30 years or so, I'd say Strictly Personal was my fave. If you want other people's opinions, album-by-album, on Beefheart's discography, this thread created by Trollheart makes an interesting read:

https://www.musicbanter.com/general-...eart-week.html

And how about you, SGR: What's your favourite Miles Davis album?

Also, in a clumsy attempt to get back on topic, is Capt. Beefheart an indie artist?

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01-28-2023, 10:00 AM	#7 (permalink)
Synthgirl Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: Cheeseland USA Posts: 162	As far as their 90s stuff goes, I really like the Monster album. Definitely a departure from their classic sound, but them experimenting with more distorted guitars was cool to see and I think that whole album is pretty underrated.