And two of those were done under Northwoods, which was never actually carried out but were events theorized by a house committee.

Ok. What's your point? If you're not interested in having a conversation just say so. These vague one sentence responses really don't add much.

Also, the first two ops I quoted are not related to Northwoods, and were carried out.

No attempts at finding context at least? I said a lot more than that.

How Frownland feels: false flag operations are possible. However, their likelihood is not high enough to blame every terrorist attack, school shooting, or plane crash on being a false flag op. When there is insurmountable evidence that doesn't quite clearly seem to serve a second party interest, I'll consider a false flag op. In the case of 9/11, the evidence that is put forward to propose ambiguity is agreed up on by actual physicists (which highly outweighs the number of "physicists" who signed up to architects for 9/11 truth) to be a hoax. A false flag is possible, but given the amount of evidence suggesting otherwise I highly doubt that it's the case.

Completely agree with the bolded. When I asked you about the underlined two posts ago your response was "nah", unless that was intended as a response for another part of my post. It wasn't very clear.

Thanks for the clarification.

Look just ask him where is his justification for blowing the arms and legs off kids.

Where is the BOXCUTTER CONSPIRACY THEORIST'S (hereafter known as BCTs) evidence to support the Government story.

I suppose you all know how the Boxcutter THEORY came into being. Well it was from Barbara Olson, former Fox News Commentator. She allegedly phoned her Senator husband and said the plane had been hijacked by people with Boxcutters (you know, fly that plane into that building or I'll slash yah!)

ERM! Slight problem.

During a testiment by an FBI agent at the Zacarias Moussaoui trial the agent testified under oath that Olson's phone had indeed connected to the cell network;..................

FOR ZERO SECONDS

That's zero seconds. zilch Nada, F__k all

In other words it hadn't connected at all.

So the story then switched to oh she must have used the air phone (irrespective of the FACT that the cell listing had shown Olsons number.

But errr? Ooooops!!!

The air phone was never fitted to that aircraft. Source - American Airlines.

Oh dear!!!

So let me ask this very simple question again - where is your evidence that justified blowing the arms and legs off kids.

Surely you actually have some evidence beyond MUST-HAVE-DONES. Don't you?

Oh by the way I have a long list of anomalies like this that need addressing.

Still only 4 posts I see.

Who? Me? What?
Get your **** together man. Also throw a falsifiable thesis at me.

So, it seems like what you're referring to is a satirical piece that cleverly sets the official story w/r/t 9/11 against the idea that it in and of itself is a conspiracy theory.

Now, the problem with this line of reasoning works like this:
1)
I've yet to make a single positive claim. Personally, I have no major personal opinions with regards to who did 9/11. Now, as I have no preconceptions to cloud my judgement, and I intend to keep an open mind, so it should be pretty easy to convince me that what you're saying is true, provided that your argument has a leg to stand on. You seem pretty sure of yourself here, so it shouldn't be too hard to articulate a coherent, logical, un-fallacious argument. Oh, but first a falsifiable thesis would be nice, so that I know what we're talking about.
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/2a/2aa6...09c5f619db.jpg

2)
Due to that fact that I have not made a single positive claim, and am a blank canvas to this issue, I have no burden of proof on me. I do not hold a positive belief in the "official story" (or boxcutter theory or whatever), becaue I have yet to do the research.

However, lacking evidence that something is untrue, or that a mutually exclusive alternative to that thing is true (as is the case here) is not evidence for that something. You're still going to need to provide irrefutable evidence, and a coherent argument that meets the previously stated criteria, to convince me. Oh, and a falsifiable thesis would sure be great so I know what we're actually talking about.

EDIT:
Yeah, posts inside the introductions section and the lounge don't count towards total post count.

The reason I asked you about whether or not you thought there was any truth to those conspiracy theories was I thought such a question might make you show your true colours. If you were a conspiracy nut, that would probably become apparent. Same if you weren't.

Now that you have cemented your position as a nut, I don't really see why I should bother arguing with you at all. To me, you've already lost most of your credibility. Whatever you believe in, I don't care enough to probe around in it.

So you are not concerned about your compliance with your Government simply due to your failure to question everything they do?


What are you waffling about? You have no evidence it's a theory.

So You'll join us all in calling for a new inquiry then. Or are you accepting the Government's story without question?

Yes come and join us. That's you, me and the Chairman of the 911 Commission Tom Kean




But you are questioning me Chum instead of the people you should be questioning. This is compliance by remaining silent. So how do you justify blowing the arms and legs off kids. Show me your evidence?


So tell me the FACT that two of the aircraft were flying (one over Pittsburgh) 25 minutes AFTER they had supposedly crashed. Explain that one to me please? pilotsfor911truth.org/ACARS-CONFIRMED-911-AIRCRAFT-AIRBORNE-LONG-AFTER-CRASH.html

Don't care anymore. Not long for this forum anyway.

PS
Hope your day is being made.

I'm willing to question all claims made by anyone if they smell fishy. However, you still have not defined what you're proposing as the alternative to the government story. Unless you're simply saying that the evidence for the government story is insufficient, and further research needs to be done. That's fine, but now you're stepping into positive claim territory (xyz is false vs I have no positive belief in xyz, although it may or may not be true), which means that the burden of proof still lies on you. Of course, you could also say "I don't know", which is where your argument stands until you provide (reliably sourced) evidence and a falsifiable thesis.

And, "this is not a theory" is about as positive claimy as it gets.

But, to simplify things for you:
Who is blowing the arms off of kids? Why?
The boxcutter theory is the standard government theory, is it not?

That depends. Will you provide a falsifiable thesis, so that we can get on with looking at evidence for the lack of evidence w/r/t the official story, as well as (if applicable), defining an alternative to said story? We can have a look at the evidence once you tell me what you're trying to prove.


I'm questioning you because you're the one I'm talking to right now, and you're asking for some pretty big leaps of faith. I have no problem with questioning the other side of the argument, provided that you provide a reason for me. Also, can you please stop avoiding my questions? This is a clear dodge, and you know it.

Citation needed.

Edit: you edited your post with a citation, sure, but the 911 pilots for truth is no more a reliable source than something like answers in genesis. For all I know, you made that website just to have something to link to when someone asked for a citation. Otherwise, it's just another person on the internet making claims that also need citations.

Got turned off by people asking you to justify things before they believe you?

Oh, and what does any of this have to do with the Beatles?

How can I provide falsifiable thesis when we haven't had an inquiry? Stop putting the cart before the horse.

Now you provide a justification for all the Government stuff we've seen since 911 and which you feel the need not to question. You'd rather have a go at me instead. Show me the evidence that makes you comfortable with known proven liars.




Ask the person who threw the old you're a conspiracy theorist chestnut at me.

Anyway as they say in Russia - Moscow.

Here have this.

youtube.com/watch?v=nUTXb-ga1fo

So trash collectors who have been through Alcoholics Anonymous are brought up with pots (clay I assume, from the Balkan society of free throwers) of money develop scars in their brain tissue (as found in the Haverjack case, Silver Spring, Maryland, 1972) which in fact cause a psychic link to the spirit dimension, leading to raising of shadow false flag armies in NAFTA zones. Totally makes sense. It's amazing more people don't see it.

Hmm... i'm intrigued by Roscoe's form of debating. Insult everyone and everything right off the bat, and insinuate that they're too stupid to understand your amazing arguments so they might as well just quit before they begin. Then mention how you've been kicked off of countless message boards before, as if that's some sort of proof that you're not an incredibly abrasive person that nobody wants to be around. And when people ask for you to actually back up your claims with facts, just plug your ears and yell "Ha! I'm so smart! You're all sheep! I don't have time to talk to you, so just go watch/read a documentary/youtube video/article and come back to me when you're ready to blindly believe everything I say!".

You need to change this. Even if what you are saying is actually true, nobody is ever going to believe you if you just insult them. And isn't the whole point of you being here to get us to believe you? Unless, of course, you're more interested in fulfilling a sense of inadequacy in your life by trying to impress strangers with how "smart" you are, and then plugging your ears when they ask even a single question.

^His reply to me after I asked if there was any truth to various conspiracy theories read pretty much like "I'm prepared to treat fact as fiction and fiction as fact until frustration and conflicts escalate to the point where I get banned". :p:

Yeah, no thanks.

This feels like a thread in the Current Events forum. I keep expecting Xurtio and JWB to show up. :laughing:

What in the actual fuck

Get rid of one Larehip and another shows up.

Typical

Can you change his name to Roscoe the Last after he gets banned?

That's too much like tempting fate.
I think it's a conspiracy.

"Roscoe the Penultimate"??

Good lord.

Sorry I've gone to another forum.

Too many people here who are ecstatic that there's no beef in their stew.

If you've read the classics you'll understand that statement.

Obvious false flag is obvious.

Seriously? !^BUT WHY ?

Black helicopters. Shhh.

Too bad we never got to discuss this. youtube.com/watch?v=DaXnqw-Zv0Y

Or this

youtube.com/watch?v=dCQtP4AjVg8

I wanted to discuss the Beatles but got hijacked by BOXCUTTER CONSPIRACY THEORISTS.

You're welcome for allowing you to be here.

Well, you're apparently still here so it's not like the door is closed.

youtube.com/watch?v=dCQtP4AjVg8

youtube.com/watch?v=DaXnqw-Zv0Y

youtu.be/cxIkqbRR59s

musicbanter.com/introductions/82041-hello-thanks-allowing-me-here-11.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea

youtube.com/watch?v=vcqBM5u9P6c

youtube.com/watch?t=62&v=Mi5ODY-vIzI

To Jane Asher - She played Alice in Through the Looking Glass.. Produced by Dr Jonathon Miller (Jeremy Hillary Boob) a student of Dr Richard Asher

Her father hung himself. They (including McCartney) lived 100 yards from Dr Steven Ward, he also killed himself He was the pimp for Christine Keeler and Mandy Rice-Davis who both appeared on the Free as a Bird video.

How Do You Sleep?" by John Lennon

So sgt. pepper took you by
surprise
You better see right through that
mother's eyes
Those freaks was right when they
said you was you was dead
The one mistake you made was
in your head
How do you sleep?
ah how do you sleep at night?
You live with straights who tell
you you was king
Jump when your mamma tell
you anything
The only thing you done was
yesterday
and since you've gone it's just
another day
How do you sleep?
ah how do you sleep at night?
A pretty face may last a year
or two
but pretty soon they'll see
what you can do
The sound you make is muzak
to my ears
You must have learned
something all those years
How do you sleep?
Ah how do you sleep at night?
++++++++++++++++++
Jump when your mamma tell
you anything
youtube.com/watch?v=WcBnJw-H2wQ

SO MOTE BE IT - Written on the Led Zeppelin III run out groove.

youtube.com/watch?v=6XJVyadMiN8

Apple Star It was a fake Moustache.
Apple Star It was a fake Moustache.

Make it so we have to tell you.

A technique taught by William Burroughs he of the French esoteric group LES BEAT.

So this really is just the same old tired Paul is dead and was replaced by an imposter theory or are you going somewhere else with it? And for **** sake, don't post the lyrics to "How do you sleep" as a response like it makes any sense.

Don't let him know that I have a real moustache, it might be too bewildering of a realization for him to handle.

Nope!!!!

YEP!!!

Pearls before swine, chum - Pearls before swine.

Let's just say that after a couple of days on here I'm now in tune with the intellect level, hereabouts.

You need to change your sriptwriter, your ratings are falling.

here let me help you

youtube.com/watch?v=NAfgbsRs_lo

I care a lot about what anyone thinks about me. Where'd you do your polling, if you don't mind me asking? I pissed on a statue of some saint in Texas so that hurts my ratings there, but I also killed some homeless guy who I was really sure had raped or killed someone in his past in Colorado so my ratings are way up there. I'd like to know if my ratings readings are accurate before clicking on a link from some guy who doesn't know how to embed YouTube videos I a forum that he's spamming. I kind of trust the guy since his book is more along the lines of a fun little nonsensical series of unrelated events tied together to suggest something larger instead of just another boring about how some blokes figured out marketing and got famous as ****. But then again, should I automatically believe someone who speaks through YouTube videos instead of his own words and thoughts.

It's a real dilemma man, thanks for letting me post it here.

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