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boo boo 10-01-2006 12:50 PM

I'm mainly refering to how Page is called a "thief" even though many of the musicians he aledgedly stole from do the exact same thing.

I just think that elitist blues fans and antiquity whores have their way with double standards.

ddp 10-02-2006 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 291892)
I'm mainly refering to how Page is called a "thief" even though many of the musicians he aledgedly stole from do the exact same thing.

I just think that elitist blues fans and antiquity whores have their way with double standards.

I see where you are coming from.

To call page a thief is silly since he added so much to music. He practically invented the guitar army sound and got some of the best drum sounds of all time. Zeppelin stretched what was permitted in pop music.

simplymusic 12-02-2006 12:03 PM

Being only 18 i know im light years behind alot of people when it comes to music. But i am one of the few in highschool who even APPRICIATE blues...i love it..while everyone else is metal, punk, and rap..i am blues. Recently i joined a band with a KICK ASS guitar player...well we won a battle of the bands beating out 15 other bands..and when being interviewed afterwards, our guitar player said, go listen to SRV and you'll see why the judges picked us to win. We play all originals, but our style has a very bluesy feel, and i think that was releif for the judges.. As for SRV..he's my favorite..every note makes me feel something different. The sky is crying, Texas Flood, Life by the drop, Couldn't stand the weather, Pride and Joy, Crossfire, its all good!! every song of his i like..As far as innovation..to me each of his songs are a LITTLE different from the other..thats innovative enough..I wish he wouldn't have died...If he hadn't it could very well be "Jimmi Hendrix who?"

ddp 12-02-2006 02:16 PM

Nice to see the youngans so keen on the blues.
I think you do underestimate the importance of Hendrix.
Remember that he did what he did before 1970.
What Hendrix did on the guitar nobody had ever done before. It was a revolution.
He stands alone as the greatest influence in rock guitar ever.

Frances 12-03-2006 02:16 AM

I like SRV, Ugly bastard though.

jacem5 08-06-2008 03:52 PM

I saw an interview with Eric Clapton and he said he almost gave up the guitar after seeing SRV play,he said"what's the point knowing there is someone like SRV out there"True story.

Son of JayJamJah 08-06-2008 06:24 PM

As much as I love SRV and as great of a talent as he is, not a great song writer or particularly interesting artist. Sort of leaves a bland taste in your mouth so to speak.

jackhammer 08-06-2008 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JayJamJah (Post 504340)
As much as I love SRV and as great of a talent as he is, not a great song writer or particularly interesting artist. Sort of leaves a bland taste in your mouth so to speak.

I agree although I don't love his work either. His version of 'Little Wing' however is absolutely phenomenal.

Son of JayJamJah 08-06-2008 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 504354)
I agree although I don't love his work either. His version of 'Little Wing' however is absolutely phenomenal.

Little Wing done just right is one of the best songs ever for guitar.

FenderVGStrat 08-06-2008 07:35 PM

S.R.V Rules man, his solos are so passionate and so interesting, my favorite songs of his are Pride And Joy and Texas Flood.

savannah 08-06-2008 09:12 PM

life without you

CrackledNitro 08-13-2008 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jacem5 (Post 504293)
I saw an interview with Eric Clapton and he said he almost gave up the guitar after seeing SRV play,he said"what's the point knowing there is someone like SRV out there"True story.

I kinda wish he would've.

RockGuitar101 09-25-2008 03:43 PM

He was great on guitar, both electric and acoustic. Had he lived longer I think he would have made the jump into jazz, he was playing some jazz and blues, and had the best hands ever on guitar.

fuzzywuzzy 11-04-2010 12:07 PM

Johnny Winter is better.

google 11-11-2010 08:14 PM

The Sky Is Crying

Lisnaholic 11-22-2010 08:34 AM

From what I`ve read, SRV sounds like a really nice guy; a sincere performer with a deep commitment to his music,an enviable guitar technique and the good sense to stay accessible to his audience.

Sad then that I have to go along with some of the negative comments on this thread.The Texas Flood album, for instance, has some great playing but always leaves me wanting something more. The problem, in my opinion, is the short-and-sweet format of the songs : a lot of them are only 3 mins long and include lyrics that distract from the guitar work. Maybe that`s down to the record company trying to shoe-horn SRV into their idea of a palatable formula, or maybe it`s down to my limited tolerance for banal lyrics.

Whatever the case, perhaps someone can suggest an SRV album where the guitar solos open out a bit more, in the style of Tin Pan Alley or Lenny ? In return, if you like languid, lengthly explorations of electric blues, I can strongly recommend Roy Buchanan. His Second Album and Millenium Collection feature 6-minute instrumentals of poignant, hard-edged, searing guitar that take you so far out from the main tune that you forget which track you`re listening to - and I guess that is what I`ve never yet got from SRV.

Yabbicoke 11-23-2010 08:15 PM

Yeah, I love Vaughan.

TockTockTock 11-26-2010 02:36 PM

I personally like him. Sure, he wasn't very innovative, but innovation gets to be a bit annoying for me. As long as the songs are composed well and the music sounds good, then I don't care. I DO appreciate innovation and I love a lot of innovative bands, but I don't think it should be the primary factor. As for SRV... he was an amazing guitarist and he brought back the blues during a time when music was, in my opinion, horrible. Also, he is the ONLY musician I know that has ever improved a Jimi Hendrix song (i.e. his version of "Voodoo Chile (Slight Return").

TockTockTock 11-26-2010 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzywuzzy (Post 952231)
Johnny Winter is better.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooo

DoctorSoft 11-27-2010 12:38 AM

IMO He wasn't a great/original songwriter, but man, could he play a guitar.

Dr_Rez 11-27-2010 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzywuzzy (Post 952231)
Johnny Winter is better.

If by better you mean has lighter skin and hair then yes, you are correct.

TheBig3 11-27-2010 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzywuzzy (Post 952231)
Johnny Winter is better.

Johnny wasn't even better than Edgar.


Jedey 11-28-2010 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 961613)
Johnny wasn't even better than Edgar.


Except that Edgar didn't play guitar, he played keyboards.

TheBig3 11-28-2010 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jedey (Post 961669)
Except that Edgar didn't play guitar, he played keyboards.

He didn't say he was a better guitar player. He just said better. If thats the criteria, Johnny doesn't make it out of the family.

supermarlin 11-28-2010 05:58 PM

Stevie Ray is the reason I like blues :)

bonesaw-orchestra 12-15-2010 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by supermarlin (Post 961965)
Stevie Ray is the reason I like blues :)

I concur. I am absolutely in love with his cover of Little Wing.. 1/2 the reason I'm getting the words "Fly on Little Wing," inked on my shoulder.

Necromancer 12-16-2010 04:22 PM

I like the way Vaughan shows the softer side with his single, Riviera Paradise.

Crazy_Diamond91 12-19-2010 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by fidelityfiend (Post 163017)
When you master a craft as he did you don't have to be innovative. SRV is one of the top ten guitarists ever bar none. Not just blues guitar - he was a giant - all the greats (Clapton, Page, Beck (Jeff Beck), Blackmore, B.B. King etc etc have all stated that he was one of the best ever.

IMHO innovative guitarists are few and far between. The dude from RATM was probably the most recent groundbreaker - Eddie VH before that. $0.02


I agree with this guy here as far as the innovators go. I'm not even a big fan of RATM, but when I saw that guy on TV (I think it was the RNR Hall of Fame Concert), I almost licked the TV. I feel terrible for overlooking that one.

I must also say this... so many people claim Jimi Hendrix is one of the best because he was "innovative," but I don't understand why they say that. Sure, he lit his guitars on fire and played with his teeth once in a while, but how was that innovative?

Crazy_Diamond91 12-19-2010 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bonesaw-orchestra (Post 970711)
I concur. I am absolutely in love with his cover of Little Wing.. 1/2 the reason I'm getting the words "Fly on Little Wing," inked on my shoulder.

I must agree. I love his covers more than I like most of the others... Though Hendrix was good, Vaughan was amazing, especially with his version of that song.

Dr_Rez 12-19-2010 05:42 AM

Iv always felt SRV played more traditional blues and stayed within blues structure far more than Hendrix, whom seemed to abide by less rules. It shows especially in there lead playing.

Jedey 12-19-2010 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by VocalsBass (Post 971103)
I like the way Vaughan shows the softer side with his single, Riviera Paradise.

My favorite Stevie Ray Vaughan song.

The Bullet 12-19-2010 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazy_Diamond91 (Post 972129)
I must also say this... so many people claim Jimi Hendrix is one of the best because he was "innovative," but I don't understand why they say that. Sure, he lit his guitars on fire and played with his teeth once in a while, but how was that innovative?

You're joking, right? I take it you don't play guitar. He did so much for guitarists, even outside of that ****. He did as much for music as showmanship. He popularized wah-wah pedals, and pedals in general. Do you have any clue how significant that is? EVERY guitarist uses pedals now. Also, he started Phycedelic rock in a sense. It existed before him, but he really made the genre what it is- pure sounds of LSD.

He would take so much time trying to get amazing sounds out of his guitar, using multiple pedals, reversing it, and everything else he could. His early bandmates thought he was hearing things. They couldn't hear he was dojng something different, they heard insanity, because in those days, Elvis was considered crazy and uncomprehensible. It's just so clear now, though, how amazing his guitar tones were. Before him, no one cared about "guitar tone" really, or no one would have gone to lengths like that. Those long, drawn out phycedelic outros on the longer songs on Electric Ladyland? It was done once or twice before, but he was one of the true pioneers. A song ended where a song would end before him. Having sound transfered from one speaker to the next, in a gradual process (well, not exactley gradual, but non-instant)? I forget the name of the technique, but he was one of the first to do that, too. And he just improvised when he was playing live (most of the time). No one jammed as much as he did. In his early days, producers would get really, really mad at him for that. I remember reading, in his Nashville days, one producer faded his part whenever he refused to simply play eighth-notes on a basic chord progression.

Just listen to Are You Experienced and Electric Ladyland. You can hear that he was the first to do this stuff, even if it's commonplace not, because that passion for exploration just pours out, and it just has that "original" quality. :| (and on that note: MB needs an "indifferent" smiley)

Mrd00d 12-21-2010 05:01 AM

Well said about Jimi ^

Some of my favorites of SRV's are his staples. Nothing really gets you like Lenny. The emotion in the first 45 seconds should have you hooked. Tin Pan Alley is fantastic, too. But I really like throwing on a track like Dirty Pool. I always go back to Dirty Pool. I listen to it more than I do Texas Flood. Great album...

Bloozcrooz 01-04-2011 02:43 PM

At last a thread remembering one of the greats!!! Oh how I love SRV. And the bullet talking of Hendrix very well said. Hendrix setting the bar so high for guitar and technique that its almost unpresidented!! I cant say how exciting it is to be conversing about these great artists and their legacys. My friends and family get sick of hearing about it I know. Favorite SRV song well it varies...Texas Flood I guess..there are just too many..same with Hendrix. Each unique and each a hero and inspiration to me. May their music live on for many years to come!!

Bloozcrooz 01-04-2011 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bullet (Post 972222)
You're joking, right? I take it you don't play guitar. He did so much for guitarists, even outside of that ****. He did as much for music as showmanship. He popularized wah-wah pedals, and pedals in general. Do you have any clue how significant that is? EVERY guitarist uses pedals now. Also, he started Phycedelic rock in a sense. It existed before him, but he really made the genre what it is- pure sounds of LSD.

He would take so much time trying to get amazing sounds out of his guitar, using multiple pedals, reversing it, and everything else he could. His early bandmates thought he was hearing things. They couldn't hear he was dojng something different, they heard insanity, because in those days, Elvis was considered crazy and uncomprehensible. It's just so clear now, though, how amazing his guitar tones were. Before him, no one cared about "guitar tone" really, or no one would have gone to lengths like that. Those long, drawn out phycedelic outros on the longer songs on Electric Ladyland? It was done once or twice before, but he was one of the true pioneers. A song ended where a song would end before him. Having sound transfered from one speaker to the next, in a gradual process (well, not exactley gradual, but non-instant)? I forget the name of the technique, but he was one of the first to do that, too. And he just improvised when he was playing live (most of the time). No one jammed as much as he did. In his early days, producers would get really, really mad at him for that. I remember reading, in his Nashville days, one producer faded his part whenever he refused to simply play eighth-notes on a basic chord progression.

Just listen to Are You Experienced and Electric Ladyland. You can hear that he was the first to do this stuff, even if it's commonplace not, because that passion for exploration just pours out, and it just has that "original" quality. :| (and on that note: MB needs an "indifferent" smiley)

Well said my friend

Bloozcrooz 01-05-2011 07:07 PM

Ahh yes...SRV's passion for violent bravado. Thats his soul seeping into the guitar and ringing out for all of us to hear. The raspy blues voice making his all to recognizable dynamic sound. Yes along with his battered 50's strat he reffered to as #1, and pedals sealing the deal on his mystique. Even with his incredible talent and soulful emotion filled performances. He managed to stay humble throughout his career. Go's to show lack of education in no way equals lack of talent. Though this may come as a shock to some. At any rate a larger than life icon and contributor to music. Remaining appreciative of his talents in his duration on the Blues seen.

Bloozcrooz 01-07-2011 01:04 AM

You can so tell SRV is holding back..Never forgetting who his biggest influences were. Maintaining respect..what a great talented man.

Lisnaholic 01-07-2011 04:35 PM

That`s a nice clip, Boozinbloozin - very intersting to watch how SRV behaves, squeezed onto such a small stage with two blues legends.

BTW, I read somewhere here that you`re not really supposed to "multiple-post" on the threads. I don`t know why because, like you, I`m still working out the rules of MB etiquette myself.

Good luck !

Bloozcrooz 01-08-2011 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 981491)
That`s a nice clip, Boozinbloozin - very intersting to watch how SRV behaves, squeezed onto such a small stage with two blues legends.

BTW, I read somewhere here that you`re not really supposed to "multiple-post" on the threads. I don`t know why because, like you, I`m still working out the rules of MB etiquette myself.

Good luck !

Thanks for heads up. Appreciate the courteous manner in which you notified me to. Error shall be corrected. Thanks fellow blues fan.

Lisnaholic 01-09-2011 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Boozinbloozin (Post 981913)
Thanks for heads up. Appreciate the courteous manner in which you notified me to. Error shall be corrected. Thanks fellow blues fan.

You`re very welcome! You sound very polite yourself !

Yes, I like blues, best of all elec guitar instrumentals: Roy Buchanan, who I`ve already mentioned here, Danny Gatton, Eric Johnson, the Allmans, those kind of guys.


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