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blastingas10 11-24-2012 05:05 PM

Best jazz guitarists
 
Considering we have a "best blues guitarists" thread, and I haven't seen one for jazz guitarists, I thought I'd make one.

So who are some of your picks for best jazz guitarist?

I'll name a few of my favorites...

Django, of course. Charlie Christian, T-bone Walker (who could also be considered the first electric blues guitarist), John McLaughlin and Les Paul.

Your turn.

spiderhammer 11-25-2012 03:13 AM

I've been passed a John Schofield album recently to check out. Tribal Tech with Scott Henderson and John McLaughlin are also on my list. I hope to add John Schofield a little later if it's to my taste.

Does Allan Holdsworth count as Jazz?

Guybrush 11-25-2012 03:57 AM

I think "best" is not a good angle to approach guitarists or any other musicians. To quantify all the things that makes musicians great and rank them on some phony scale is just not something I generally do. I'm more fond of "favorite" than I am of best, but all that aside ..

First off is an obvious mention perhaps, but you can't go wrong with the guitar trio - Al Di Meola, John McLaughlin and Paco De Lucia. Paco is generally described as a flamenco guitarist, but some of the music he's played is regarded as flamenco jazz. My favorite of the bunch is Al Di Meola. Everything about the way he plays is brilliant, I think.

For gypsy jazz, you'd have to mention Django, of course, but my favorite gypsy jazz guitarist is Jimmy Rosenberg who is just a ferocious player. In other jazz genres, I'd also like to mention Bill Frisell whose more ambient sounds I very much like and, although he's relatively unknown, I quite like the very much unique style of english jazz guitarist Phil Miller - for reasons that I sometimes wonder about. He played these squeaky melodies, but I always thought they sounded absolutely great in their musical context. He also was great with chords.

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Originally Posted by spiderhammer (Post 1253738)
Does Allan Holdsworth count as Jazz?

Even if he's definitely in a style of his own, I think Allan Holdsworth counts as he's generally known as a jazz fusion guitarist. His presence really gave a lift to some records back in the 70s, like Soft Machine's Bundles, Gong's Gazeuse! and Jean-Luc Ponty's Enigmatic Ocean. Great player indeed!

spiderhammer 11-25-2012 04:21 AM

Cheers tore. I've just found a Soft Machine album in my collection 'The Harvest Years' and will be giving it a go later today along with a few other bits.

I'm currently looking at my CDs on the desk and I've pulled Mahavishnu Orchestra 'the inner mounting flame' and 'lost trident sessions'.

Guybrush 11-25-2012 05:09 AM

Regarding Soft Machine's The Harvest Years, that is a compilation mostly comprised of the albums Bundles and Softs. These are so late in the discography and so late in the band history that the glory days are generally thought of as past and the only original member that can still be found on some of the songs is Mike Ratledge who at the time, I believe, hated being in the band.

I'm not so familiar with the songs from Softs, but the ones from Bundles are generally a brighter spot in the late SM discography. But people who are seriously curious about the band should definitely check out their earlier stuff. Their first two records are wildly different in style, featuring singers (Robert Wyatt & Kevin Ayers), but then they changed to a more fusiony style with their well-known Third and then became even more jazzy with Fourth. Their debut is interesting, but I'm most fond of their second, third and fourth albums which are all quite distinct from eachother. But, of course, none of those feature Allan Holdsworth.

spiderhammer 11-25-2012 06:30 AM

Now you've got me all fired up with curious thoughts about Soft Machine. I'm going to have to go back and hunt down all albums.

Thanks for the brief lowdown on the band. I always appreciate a good response.

I see what you mean by the 'Harvest Years' comp. It's right at the end of their body of work. Looking at the Wiki page of their discography, I've got seven albums of material worth checking out. Whoop!

Looks like I might be pulling a late one hunting down some of these albums for a spin. I think I'm going to tackle their full albums working through from the first release.

Guybrush 11-25-2012 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by spiderhammer (Post 1253774)
Now you've got me all fired up with curious thoughts about Soft Machine. I'm going to have to go back and hunt down all albums.

Thanks for the brief lowdown on the band. I always appreciate a good response.

I see what you mean by the 'Harvest Years' comp. It's right at the end of their body of work. Looking at the Wiki page of their discography, I've got seven albums of material worth checking out. Whoop!

Looks like I might be pulling a late one hunting down some of these albums for a spin. I think I'm going to tackle their full albums working through from the first release.

I like them a lot, but they are rather avantgarde and definitely not for everyone! If you do like what you hear, they could be a good entry into the Canterbury scene which is a treasure trove of musical delights with my favourite of the bunch being the band Hatfield and the North which includes guitarist Phil Miller which I mentioned up there.

Allan Holdsworth also has Canterbury connections through the bands Gong and Bruford :)

Blarobbarg 11-25-2012 07:53 AM

As much as I love jazz, I am tragically ignorant about jazz guitar of any variety. I love Django, but that's about as far as I've gotten.

Guybrush 11-25-2012 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Blarobbarg (Post 1253790)
As much as I love jazz, I am tragically ignorant about jazz guitar of any variety. I love Django, but that's about as far as I've gotten.

I think anyone who like Django and who has perhaps particular interest in guitar chops should check out Jimmy Rosenberg. He's quite the virtuoso.

Here's some footage from when he was a kid :)


blastingas10 11-25-2012 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tore (Post 1253747)
I think "best" is not a good angle to approach guitarists or any other musicians. To quantify all the things that makes musicians great and rank them on some phony scale is just not something I generally do. I'm more fond of "favorite" than I am of best, but all that aside ..

First off is an obvious mention perhaps, but you can't go wrong with the guitar trio - Al Di Meola, John McLaughlin and Paco De Lucia. Paco is generally described as a flamenco guitarist, but some of the music he's played is regarded as flamenco jazz. My favorite of the bunch is Al Di Meola. Everything about the way he plays is brilliant, I think.

For gypsy jazz, you'd have to mention Django, of course, but my favorite gypsy jazz guitarist is Jimmy Rosenberg who is just a ferocious player. In other jazz genres, I'd also like to mention Bill Frisell whose more ambient sounds I very much like and, although he's relatively unknown, I quite like the very much unique style of english jazz guitarist Phil Miller - for reasons that I sometimes wonder about. He played these squeaky melodies, but I always thought they sounded absolutely great in their musical context. He also was great with chords.



Even if he's definitely in a style of his own, I think Allan Holdsworth counts as he's generally known as a jazz fusion guitarist. His presence really gave a lift to some records back in the 70s, like Soft Machine's Bundles, Gong's Gazeuse! and Jean-Luc Ponty's Enigmatic Ocean. Great player indeed!


We'll of course, tore. I only made the title with the word "best" in order to make it a little more eye-grabbing. And I said that my picks were some of my "favorites", not some of the "best".

Glad to see McLaughlin, Lucia and meola get a mention. I just love what that three did together.

I'll add Wes Montgomery, what I've heard from him Is pretty.

spiderhammer 11-25-2012 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tore (Post 1253786)
I like them a lot, but they are rather avantgarde and definitely not for everyone! If you do like what you hear, they could be a good entry into the Canterbury scene which is a treasure trove of musical delights with my favourite of the bunch being the band Hatfield and the North which includes guitarist Phil Miller which I mentioned up there.

Allan Holdsworth also has Canterbury connections through the bands Gong and Bruford :)

I thought it might be worth making a thread dedicated to Soft Machine so not to clutter up this one over @ link

blastingas10 11-27-2012 12:15 PM

Marc ribot is another one that I've become quite fond of. I was introduced to him through some medeski, Martin And wood videos. I purchased this album Marc Ribot Y Los Cubanos Postizos:Amazon:Music and really like it. There is some great guitar playin on it.

Plankton 11-27-2012 12:44 PM

Aside from the ones mentioned (and thanks for the Frisell nod Tore, and Montgomery Blasting), Frank Gambale has been a favorite of mine since I got into jazz a while ago, after picking up a Chick Corea album.

Pat Metheney, and Alan Holdsworth are also on the top of my list.

John McLaughlin... hmmm... I bought a CD with him and Carlos Santana on it when I was in Amsterdam many years ago. Wish I still had it.

Psy-Fi 11-27-2012 01:06 PM

I'll add a few of my favorites who haven't been mentioned yet...

Gabor Szabo
Joe Pass
George Benson
Sonny Sharrock
Bill Frisell
Chet Atkins
Larry Coryell
John Scofield
Charlie Christian

There are probably a few more I just can't think of at the moment.

(After re-reading the other posts, I noticed John Scofield and Bill Frisell had already been mentioned. I'll leave them in my list anyway, because I like 'em and they're deserving enough for another mention.)

Bloozcrooz 11-27-2012 01:34 PM

For the longest I've wanted to get more into Jazz and learn the technique. It seems a lot more complex than most genre's which is why I find it interesting. I'm totaly ignorant though as where to even start if I was to buy an album who I should buy or start with.

blastingas10 11-27-2012 03:41 PM

Is Chet atkins jazz? There's definitely a lot of jazz in his playing, i guess his playing covered multiple genres.

Blooz, I'm not really sure where a good place to start is. Probably the first jazz guitar album I got was "chester and Lester" by les Paul and Chet Atkins. In fact, I'm going to listen to it now. I'd say it's a good place to start. These two old guys could play as good as anyone these days. The album won a Grammy award for best country instrumental, which is kind of strange. I think it's jazzier than it is country.

tygerlilyzz 11-27-2012 04:02 PM

I like Ronnie Jordan

Guybrush 11-27-2012 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bloozcrooz (Post 1254514)
For the longest I've wanted to get more into Jazz and learn the technique. It seems a lot more complex than most genre's which is why I find it interesting. I'm totaly ignorant though as where to even start if I was to buy an album who I should buy or start with.

My impression is that you like 70s rock and so on, so I personally think the 70s fusion groups would be a good place for you to start. It's a bit like jazz played by rock bands after all :)

When we did the Prog & Fusion Album Club, we discussed Jean-Luc Ponty's album Enigmatic Ocean from 1975 at some point and I always thought that could be a real good entrance into fusion for those coming in from the rock angle. The album features of course Ponty on his electric violin, but also guitarist Allan Holdsworth which is definitely a big name in jazz fusion.

Here's a link to the discussion : http://www.musicbanter.com/jazz-blue...an-1977-a.html

edit :

Ugh, there was only one other poster besides myself. Now I remember why I gave it up. :(

Stephen 11-27-2012 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1253807)
I'll add Wes Montgomery, what I've heard from him Is pretty.

Glad to see he at least gets a mention. I'm puzzled by the lack of love for Wes. I love his work in smaller group settings (ie. non-orchestrated). Even in some of the orchestrated numbers his solos are amazing.


This is from Guitar on the Go with the Wes Montgomery Trio.


blastingas10 11-28-2012 12:34 AM

If we're talking about jazz fusion, I highly recommend "the inner mounting flame" by the mahavishnu orchestra. That album is absolutely great.

Psy-Fi 11-28-2012 01:08 AM

^ 'The Lost Trident Sessions' is also a good album by The Mahavishnu Orchestra (one of my favorites by them.)

I've always thought of Chet Atkins as being more country than jazz, but I keep seeing his name mentioned in various lists and articles about jazz guitarists (and he did have a smooth, flowing sort of jazz style to his technique) so I decided to include him in my list.

Janszoon 11-28-2012 05:01 AM

I'm not super into jazz guitar but I think Charlie Hunter is pretty great. Check out the track below, and keep in mind while you listen to it that all you are hearing is drums and one 8 string guitar. Having seen him in concert, I can attest that he really does play the bass lines and guitar melodies simultaneously. Pretty damn impressive.



Here's some live video too (the good stuff starts around 1:00):


Plankton 11-28-2012 08:08 AM

Ahh... lets not forget Stanley:


Stanley Jordan perform "Autumn Leaves" @ NYC - YouTube

blastingas10 11-28-2012 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Psy-Fi (Post 1254834)
^ 'The Lost Trident Sessions' is also a good album by The Mahavishnu Orchestra (one of my favorites by them.)

I've always thought of Chet Atkins as being more country than jazz, but I keep seeing his name mentioned in various lists and articles about jazz guitarists (and he did have a smooth, flowing sort of jazz style to his technique) so I decided to include him in my list.

I have a problem calling him country. There really aren't any country guitarists who could play like him. There was a hint of country, bluegrass, jazz and classical in his playing.

Autumn leaves, doesn't joe pass play that, or did he write it? I think I remember learning how to play some of it, I really liked it.

Plankton 11-28-2012 08:37 AM

Well yes, yes he does.


Autumn Leaves - Joe Pass - YouTube

Blarobbarg 11-28-2012 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1254848)
I'm not super into jazz guitar but I think Charlie Hunter is pretty great. Check out the track below, and keep in mind while you listen to it that all you are hearing is drums and one 8 string guitar. Having seen him in concert, I can attest that he really does play the bass lines and guitar melodies simultaneously. Pretty damn impressive.



Here's some live video too (the good stuff starts around 1:00):


Holy crap was that impressive. Got any suggested albums?

Bloozcrooz 11-28-2012 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1254848)
I'm not super into jazz guitar but I think Charlie Hunter is pretty great. Check out the track below, and keep in mind while you listen to it that all you are hearing is drums and one 8 string guitar. Having seen him in concert, I can attest that he really does play the bass lines and guitar melodies simultaneously. Pretty damn impressive.



Here's some live video too (the good stuff starts around 1:00):


I enjoyed that actually a lot Jans.

Janszoon 11-28-2012 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Blarobbarg (Post 1254906)
Holy crap was that impressive. Got any suggested albums?

I only own one to be honest—the self-titled album that the first track is from—but I'd definitely recommend it. It's very solid album from beginning to end. It's just called Charlie Hunter (from 2000), not to be confused with his debut, which is called Charlie Hunter Trio (from 1993).

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Originally Posted by Bloozcrooz (Post 1255144)
I enjoyed that actually a lot Jans.

Glad you liked it! :)

blastingas10 11-28-2012 11:54 PM

3 bass strings and 5 guitar strings? I've never seen anything like that, pretty bad ass. The guitar in the first video sure does sound like a keyboard.

Janszoon 11-29-2012 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1255277)
3 bass strings and 5 guitar strings? I've never seen anything like that, pretty bad ass. The guitar in the first video sure does sound like a keyboard.

I know, right? It sounds like you're listening an organ and bass instead of one guy on a guitar.

FRED HALE SR. 11-29-2012 10:55 AM

Glad to see alot of the true greats mentioned. I had the pleasure of seeing this guy on three different occassions. Russell Malone, has played with all of the new age horn specialist. This solo video is pretty cool and a good example of his ability. He never overplays and his tone is outstanding.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...axKt94qA1WMwMQ

blastingas10 11-29-2012 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1255303)
I know, right? It sounds like you're listening an organ and bass instead of one guy on a guitar.

I wonder what kind of setup he's using. I've used an effect that sounds somewhat like a keyboard but it sounds nothing like that.


Quote:

Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1255444)
Glad to see alot of the true greats mentioned. I had the pleasure of seeing this guy on three different occassions. Russell Malone, has played with all of the new age horn specialist. This solo video is pretty cool and a good example of his ability. He never overplays and his tone is outstanding.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...axKt94qA1WMwMQ


I'm diggin that. Nice fingerstyle jazz. Is it me or that little phrase at 2:00 sound a little like "just my imagination" by the temptations? :laughing:

Janszoon 11-29-2012 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1255499)
I wonder what kind of setup he's using. I've used an effect that sounds somewhat like a keyboard but it sounds nothing like that.

When I was looking for videos of him on YouTube I came across an interview where he was talking a little bit about his gear. It sounded like a lot of the sound was down to the type of amp he uses and the way he plays. According to Wikipedia he uses a "Hughes & Kettner Tube Rotosphere (a Leslie rotary speaker simulator)", whatever that is.

FRED HALE SR. 11-29-2012 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1255499)
I wonder what kind of setup he's using. I've used an effect that sounds somewhat like a keyboard but it sounds nothing like that.





I'm diggin that. Nice fingerstyle jazz. Is it me or that little phrase at 2:00 sound a little like "just my imagination" by the temptations? :laughing:

I just went back and re-listened. Pretty good ear man, that definitely is the right key for the Temptations.

OccultHawk 11-30-2012 08:53 AM

Derek Bailey

TheMorningRise 01-06-2013 03:00 PM

pat metheny by far!

Zohar 01-07-2013 09:45 AM

Charlie Christian maybe? I love him.

CLOSER 01-18-2013 02:01 AM

Does anybody know the gentlemen who often accompanied Amy Winehouse.. black dude, older, dreads...outrageous... I can't post links as I have not posted over 15 times, smh.

muzebox 01-18-2013 06:27 AM

pat metheny
 
For me its got to be Pat Metheny. :)

FRED HALE SR. 01-18-2013 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CLOSER (Post 1276048)
Does anybody know the gentlemen who often accompanied Amy Winehouse.. black dude, older, dreads...outrageous... I can't post links as I have not posted over 15 times, smh.

You're referring to Earl Chinna Smith, he was a standout on her first album [Frank] heres a photo.

Google Image Result for http://www.reggae-vibes.com/concert/chinna/pics/chinna1.jpg


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