Thanksgiving- Racist Holiday

anticipation · 11-04-2005, 02:32 PM

Hey re re, the pilgrims only had 1 god, and they were thanking the Native Americans for helping them out, who were there, btw.

So get a life, instead of ripping on holidays.

(this was adressed to the maker of this thread.)

fockthnxgvng · 11-15-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by IamAlejo

Yes we cover it for quite some time. Also, Thanksgiving isn't about the success of the pilgrims, but mainly about the cooperation of the Indians and the pilgrims at that time. The "genocide" (if you want to call it that, I guess you could) started at a later time, mainly the trail of tears, etc, which happened during Johnson's presidency (I'm pretty sure). During colonial times, while some areas didn't get along with the Indians, specifically the south, areas like Pennsylvania fared quite well with the Indians, even buying land from them instead of just taking it as most did.

ok alejo youre very uninformed. this happened way before any presidencies or there being any presidents. way before. and it was a genocide, there was no friendly meeting between pilgrims and indians and it should not be celebrated by watching football and eating turkey, and then going shopping for deals the next day. face it, accept it. its very ****ing twisted.

VeggieLover · 11-15-2009, 08:40 PM

To make an educated decision about this you need to be well...educated.

Whether or not the pilgrims actually sat down and ate with the Natives well...honestly I don't know whether that happened or not. What I do know is that the pilrgrims DID learn from the Natives. How to bury fish to improve the soil etc... and thats part of the tradition. But the real tradition comes from one thing...and thats thankfullness. After the Pilgrims' first winter, they gave a kind of sad thanks to God for the fact that (some of them) had survived the winter. They thanked God for the fact that there was food to eat and land to live on and the chance for a new beginning. If that's racism then I'm guilty. Were the Natives hurt? Of course. Any 9 year old can tell you that. But was the Pilgrim settlement really the beginning of the problem? I'd say no. The holiday I have a problem with as being racist is columbus day, which is frankly ridiculous and offensive and a friend of mine who is full blooded Native American Indian (unfortunately I've never learned what tribe) takes every opportunity to protest it she can. As soon as I'm old enough, I will join her in those protests.

But thanksgiving??? Of all things, the thing we should NEVER encourage less of is giving thanks. America is one of the worst, if not THE worst, cultures for taking our blessings for granted. Our problems and injustices we (as the descendants of the colonists) commited against the Native American peoples is only minimally connected to Thanksgiving and should be dealt with in real-time. Really problems demand REAL solutions, not bitching and moaning about something like Thanksgiving. (though columbus day really gets me fired up)

fockthnxgvng · 11-15-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

Hey re re, the pilgrims only had 1 god, and they were thanking the Native Americans for helping them out, who were there, btw.

So get a life, instead of ripping on holidays.

(this was adressed to the maker of this thread.)

and then they ****ing killed them. *******.

anticipation · 11-15-2009, 09:06 PM

man, i was so cool four years ago.

actually, i still am pretty cool.

mr dave · 11-15-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fockthnxgvng

ok alejo youre very uninformed. this happened way before any presidencies or there being any presidents. way before. and it was a genocide, there was no friendly meeting between pilgrims and indians and it should not be celebrated by watching football and eating turkey, and then going shopping for deals the next day. face it, accept it. its very ****ing twisted.

so you joined a MUSIC forum, why???

FETCHER. · 11-16-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by fockthnxgvng

ok alejo youre very uninformed. this happened way before any presidencies or there being any presidents. way before. and it was a genocide, there was no friendly meeting between pilgrims and indians and it should not be celebrated by watching football and eating turkey, and then going shopping for deals the next day. face it, accept it. its very ****ing twisted.

Why did you dig up a 4yr old thread? Pointlessss.

IYT · 11-16-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kayleigh.

Why did you dig up a 4yr old thread? Pointlessss.

Agreed.

TheBig3 · 11-16-2009, 09:35 AM

its the best ****ing holiday in the states. preceeded by the second biggest drinking day of the year. And FDR, in his genius, sandwiched a friday in there to guilt businesses into a 4 day weekend.

loveissucide · 11-16-2009, 01:35 PM

It's not racist in the way that celebrating the 12th Of July in Northern Ireland is, and it dosn't celebrate the destruction of Native Americans, it celebrates the founding of the colonies,which are seperate things.

11-15-2009, 08:40 PM	#13 (permalink)
VeggieLover Music?! Lets boogie! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: CO Posts: 215	To make an educated decision about this you need to be well...educated. Whether or not the pilgrims actually sat down and ate with the Natives well...honestly I don't know whether that happened or not. What I do know is that the pilrgrims DID learn from the Natives. How to bury fish to improve the soil etc... and thats part of the tradition. But the real tradition comes from one thing...and thats thankfullness. After the Pilgrims' first winter, they gave a kind of sad thanks to God for the fact that (some of them) had survived the winter. They thanked God for the fact that there was food to eat and land to live on and the chance for a new beginning. If that's racism then I'm guilty. Were the Natives hurt? Of course. Any 9 year old can tell you that. But was the Pilgrim settlement really the beginning of the problem? I'd say no. The holiday I have a problem with as being racist is columbus day, which is frankly ridiculous and offensive and a friend of mine who is full blooded Native American Indian (unfortunately I've never learned what tribe) takes every opportunity to protest it she can. As soon as I'm old enough, I will join her in those protests. But thanksgiving??? Of all things, the thing we should NEVER encourage less of is giving thanks. America is one of the worst, if not THE worst, cultures for taking our blessings for granted. Our problems and injustices we (as the descendants of the colonists) commited against the Native American peoples is only minimally connected to Thanksgiving and should be dealt with in real-time. Really problems demand REAL solutions, not bitching and moaning about something like Thanksgiving. (though columbus day really gets me fired up) __________________ "Not remotely! Because iocaine comes from Australia, as everyone knows. And Australia is entirely peopled with criminals. And criminals are used to having people not trust them as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you."

11-16-2009, 09:35 AM	#19 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	its the best ***ing holiday in the states. preceeded by the second biggest drinking day of the year. And FDR, in his genius*, sandwiched a friday in there to guilt businesses into a 4 day weekend. __________________ I've moved to a new address

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loveissucide Himself Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Leuven ,Belgium, via Ireland Posts: 1,325	It's not racist in the way that celebrating the 12th Of July in Northern Ireland is, and it dosn't celebrate the destruction of Native Americans, it celebrates the founding of the colonies,which are seperate things. __________________ www.last.fm/user/p-mccusker http://www.mixcloud.com/pmccusker www.valjester.wordpress.com

11-04-2005, 02:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
anticipation Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,565	Hey re re, the pilgrims only had 1 god, and they were thanking the Native Americans for helping them out, who were there, btw. So get a life, instead of ripping on holidays. (this was adressed to the maker of this thread.)

11-15-2009, 09:06 PM	#15 (permalink)
anticipation Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,565	man, i was so cool four years ago. actually, i still am pretty cool.