Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

Because I believe something that is not tangible doesn't make me ignorant.

And faith cannot have tangible proof. It defeats the purpose of said faith. People who have faith only need said faith. It's a very personal connection and trying to share why you need no proof to believe something can make you sound very ignorant, which is why I don't say things like that.

but I understand Vanilla. No worries.

Originally Posted by Vanilla

Thank you! Of course you are right, and there is proof, but you have to open your eyes (and mind) to be able to see it.

Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

No there isnt.
There is proof that Jesus existed, yes, possibly.
Proof that he was the Son Of God....no. No proof whatsoever.
If there was complete proof, then why hasnt Christianity come out with the proof.
Why are there still heated debates on it?
There is no proof, at all, that God exists or that Jesus Christ was the Son Of God

Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

No there isnt.
There is proof that Jesus existed, yes, possibly.
Proof that he was the Son Of God....no. No proof whatsoever.
If there was complete proof, then why hasnt Christianity come out with the proof.
Why are there still heated debates on it?
There is no proof, at all, that God exists or that Jesus Christ was the Son Of God

And who are you to tell me what to believe. I doubt you are that godly yourself.
*stumbles across an old thread"


I bet you Jesus would love to hear you say that.
Oh wait, I forgot, you could just go to a preist or pastor, say you are sorry, then go about sucking d*ck as your way of life.
Some people have said that Christianity is a way of life.
I bet the big man is delighted to have his belivers compared to a bunch of "suck c*ck for life-ers"

Originally Posted by Vanilla

You are personally attacking me now. You are basically saying that I am not good enough to be a Christian, a follower. Now who's playing God? You don't know anything about me, nor I about you, so don't start making assumtions.

You may not believe Jesus is the Son of God but that doesn't mean other people can't.

Oh and finally you admit that there is possible proof.

Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

When something is forced onto you from a young age and enforced by almost everyone you ever talk to, of course a belief like that is going to become something more than a belief. When it becomes so deeply ingrained in your mind it's very hard to even consider any alternatives.

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

The Times January 03, 2006

Prove Christ exists, judge orders priest
From Richard Owen in Rome

AN ITALIAN judge has ordered a priest to appear in court this month to prove that Jesus Christ existed.

The case against Father Enrico Righi has been brought in the town of Viterbo, north of Rome, by Luigi Cascioli, a retired agronomist who once studied for the priesthood but later became a militant atheist.

Signor Cascioli, author of a book called The Fable of Christ, began legal proceedings against Father Righi three years ago after the priest denounced Signor Cascioli in the parish newsletter for questioning Christ’s historical existence.

Yesterday Gaetano Mautone, a judge in Viterbo, set a preliminary hearing for the end of this month and ordered Father Righi to appear. The judge had earlier refused to take up the case, but was overruled last month by the Court of Appeal, which agreed that Signor Cascioli had a reasonable case for his accusation that Father Righi was “abusing popular credulity”.

Signor Cascioli’s contention — echoed in numerous atheist books and internet sites — is that there was no reliable evidence that Jesus lived and died in 1st-century Palestine apart from the Gospel accounts, which Christians took on faith. There is therefore no basis for Christianity, he claims.

Signor Cascioli’s one-man campaign came to a head at a court hearing last April when he lodged his accusations of “abuse of popular credulity” and “impersonation”, both offences under the Italian penal code. He argued that all claims for the existence of Jesus from sources other than the Bible stem from authors who lived “after the time of the hypothetical Jesus” and were therefore not reliable witnesses.

Signor Cascioli maintains that early Christian writers confused Jesus with John of Gamala, an anti-Roman Jewish insurgent in 1st-century Palestine. Church authorities were therefore guilty of “substitution of persons”.

The Roman historians Tacitus and Suetonius mention a “Christus” or “Chrestus”, but were writing “well after the life of the purported Jesus” and were relying on hearsay.

Father Righi said there was overwhelming testimony to Christ’s existence in religious and secular texts. Millions had in any case believed in Christ as both man and Son of God for 2,000 years.

“If Cascioli does not see the sun in the sky at midday, he cannot sue me because I see it and he does not,” Father Righi said.

Signor Cascioli said that the Gospels themselves were full of inconsistencies and did not agree on the names of the 12 apostles. He said that he would withdraw his legal action if Father Righi came up with irrefutable proof of Christ’s existence by the end of the month.

The Vatican has so far declined to comment.