Vulgar and unneeded...For intelligence
 

We got a folk album that no one posts in, great.

We have a lounge, where intelligent threads are trumped for spam threads, superb.

Who's ass must I kiss to get a politics forum, you know something to cater to only those who'd like to discover other points of view. Im aware this isn't so far fatched on other boards.

a politics thread would be great.i second that motion. we musnt sit blind while the government sends our children to death and robs our mothers.

Would your opinions on this thread:
http://www.musicbanter.com/showthread.php?t=9134
be slightly different now perhaps?

Good luck finding the admin though to hear your plea;)

that thread is hidden. in fact the last post was made before i joined i think. someone should bump it up and we should vote for a political thread!

we arent going to get any new forums here. at least i highly doubt it.

plus....whatever could be posted in the politics forum can be posted in the lounge here. trying to get an admin to create a new forum...would just get a bunch of people going on about it...and it would be a waste of time. honestly....i agree some changes would be good, but hookers is right. the voting for change thread died....and apparently, seeing as nothing was ever done.......the admin didnt pay all that much attention to it. thrice is never on...and even when he is...i doubt he would do anything about it....and gregb is hardly ever on as well. i think it might be a good idea to vote on something more like a change of admin.

To Battle!
 

First off before I forget, Hookers; that was in regards to more musical subforums...at least my post was.

Now to disect Silences intelligent responce:

"we arent going to get any new forums here. at least i highly doubt it. " - Leave your negitive attitude at home where it belongs. How about you come out of hibernation for something productive. I liked it more when you were gone if this is the **** you're going to put out.

"plus....whatever could be posted in the politics forum can be posted in the lounge here" - Did you even read what I wrote? CAN ANYONE READ? I'm almost certain I mentioned intelligent posts being drowned out my threads with titles like "ohmegeee!." I don't even know what that ****ing means.

As for the rest of your commentery (which was off topic, quit drinking before you post) was about the mods who I hit for not being here all the time. It's not the point of this thread. If you want to address the absentee administration, make your own thread about it.

A rebuttle - There are at least 3 continents represented on these boards, and at least 5 countries. We could stand to learn alot about other types of government and how other poeple live around the world. I think honestly it would enrich the majority of the population around here and you might sound educated if you had intelligent dialouge with people for once. Music's fine, I love music, but lets honestly think about this. What other board on the net would give you a personal account of how a country is running, what people think of your country, and its government and give you a more worldly understanding of the global village.

At least lets vote on it, if it doens't take off or the phantom Mod's don't want to make it I'll create a politics board and you guys can just frequent both. It's not even as if they'd compete becuase they'd be about diffrent things.

What say ye gents? And gent-etts?

yes, a politics forum would be nice, i already have a couple ideas for threads, but sadly big3, 5 people would post there...

first....when did i leave? and second...im not trying necesarily to be negative. all im trying to do is look at these forums by the way that theyve been run for the last few months. (by the admin)

i realize that a lot of the more intellegent posts are drowned out by the game threads in the lounge. the main reason for this being that a lot of the people dont want to take the time to read articles, or are too ingorant to know whats going on in the world around them...and would have nothing to say in these intelegent threads. and it seems to me that that is exactly what would happen if we had a politics forum. it would become a dead forum just like a few of the forums on this board. now i dont know this for a fact of course...its just what i see happening.

1. the last drink i had was half a bottle of a smirnoff ice last night.....hardly enough to keep me buzzed (let alone drunk) until now.
2. i never said anything about adressing the absentee admin, and frankly it doesnt matter to me. youre the one talking about creating a new politics forum. so i plan to make no such thread.

im all for discussion of governments, and knowing how other countries are run. all that is well and good. i would have no problem with that. and its not even that im against it. i would love to find out how croatia is run...or what tony blairs approval rating is. but i think that a large number of the people on this forum would be either too ignorant, or too apathetic to post in a sub-musicbanter forum dedicated to politics. if you have that much faith in it..then pursue it. try your best to get one here. if youre to succeed, i will post in it. ill promise you that.

but honestly, the reason i made the change of admin comment was because with the current ones....i doubt youll get what your out for.

So what you're saying is your perfectly happy with things "business as usual"?

i sent gregb a request, we shall see what happens next....( i also asked for a movie/television subforum )....i don't see why it would be a problem for him....

Thank you adidasss, yeah I don't really see what the problem is with whipping up sub forums. I can't imagine their using java to make them.

i suppose maybe.. what im saying is that i agree with you, musicbanter should see some changes. but when the changes are made, (im saying this from past experience with other sub forums that we have requested, and the musicbanter blog that we all said we would post in so willingly) there will not be a sufficient number of people interested in it. not to say that im against the folk forum, because i am completely in support of it, but it has become a practically dead forum. along with a lot of the other forums here, people wouldnt pay attention to it because they are too wrapped up in the assanine game threads and "ohmegeee" posts and such.

A new admin is a bad idea, who else would pay for the forum? Also I agree this is a music forum and it does seem like people come to post in the lounge and boring forum game threads. I think sub forums will help because maybe their could be intelligent dicussion outside of the music forums for once.

Simple idea.

Make a political thread and see what happens. It gets five replies and descends into a slanging match, then there's really little point it having its own forum, but if it gets three pages of thought provoking, challenging replies, then it gives you much more evidence to present the moderators with than a thread like this.

But from your "rebuttle" to perfection... I'd be willing to wager that you'll have trouble keeping your replies free of personal insults.

as far as the blog thing is concerned, i knew right away that it wasn't going to work, first of all, i don't know about you, but visually, the blog is just very unapealing, second, the link for it is situated in a place where most people never look, and thirdly, what ever we have to say about music and news about music is done in the forum....

politics and film/television subforums would have more threads and posts in them than the folk forum because there's a hell of a lot more things to discuss in them.....

as far as the international music forum, it was a bust because you're all assholes and narrow minded pricks who wont listen to anything that isn't in english, 60% of the threads in there were made by me......

thank you, that is all......

we already have loads of "political" threads that got plenty of replies.....check out the bush thread....

Yeah franscar, what the **** does that mean? I can't keep away from slagging people personally?

There have been tons of political threads. Anything concerning the city (or polis, from the greek meaning city state) is political. I mean, to make a statement like that you'd have to have disregarded you total lack of knowledge on the lounge culture just to go for the insult.

I don't care if you want to insult me thats fine, but when your "suggestion" suggests you don't know the material in front of you, you might as well have just insulted me. That suggestion just looks like a weak attempt to stay on topic.

As for my responce, PTS came in here to be a whiney bitch. "I just odn't think it will work" isn't even an arguement, its an opinion. One that has no factual basis and one he's clearly wrong on. Sure, people do go into political threads and say "Bush sucks" but since the majority of people in those threads actually said something about the topic, off topic spammers are few and far between. Im sorry PTS is mad no one said something nice about him, im sorry you and your friends don't like me. But when I attempt to progress these boards and you do nothing but try to tear it down because you don't like me, well you hurt the boards in general, the people who come here and your own reputation.

Im willing to put down the sword, can you? Slag me in the threads where im being a jackass, fine, but not when im workign to make it a better place for conducive, intelligent conversation.

this has happened before, and yes im guilty of it myself. someone pleads for a new forum, some one gets a new forum, it dies on its arse? i could envisage a similiar fate for this proposed one but hey, give it a bash, whats there to lose?

I'd like it if from now on you could just say in each thread if you don't want the forum for one of the following reasons:

1. Its a bad idea
2. you're a jackass Big3 and I don't care if you propose a cure for AIDS, I'll oppose it
3. Im just a negitive ****.

that a general demand or something directed at me? im too tired to tell the difference.

Conducive, intelligent conversation huh? "Whiney bitch" passes for that? Insinuating other people lack knowledge? Come on now, you're attempting to have a new forum opened and anybody who has a differing opinion to your own in this very thread you've jumped on like a kid who's been asked to share his toys.

Posting in an aggressive manner isn't going to impress anybody.

And the suggestion I made was simple, but it would work far better than a thread like this. Make a political thread in the lounge, and see how people respond to it. Even if they aren't on everyday there is never more than two or three pages of new posts. Anyone who doesn't bother looking back two pages probably won't have anything interesting to say anyway.

There has been political threads, and they had alot of replies.

Ergo, they don't get "lost" between "spam" threads, and the people who want to post in them do anyway, and don't need a new forum.

that may very well be true, but we need them so we can look all smart , and perhapse some new people that are checking this site out will look at the lounge, see a politics forum and say "hmm....perhapse there are some intelligent people here....i think i'll join"...

i honestly don't see what the con's would be, i may not be very net savy, but making a new subforum to an admin is equal to me making a thread no? no trouble what so ever?

But we can`t have a politics forum , it`s not about music.

It`ll attract people who want to talk about politics rather than people wanting to talk about music.

Or at least thats what I was told when I suggested some other forums a while back.

that would be fantastic wouldnt it, "musicbanter" attracting a politics debate. lets do it.

em...every other respectable music forum has them....and i can't remember, what forums did you propose?

I suggested an Off Topic forum , for things like political debates , TV , Movie & Books forum & an unmoderated forum like the lounge is now where people can basically mess around & go off topic so that it`s all done there rather than in the proper forums.

Considering the lounge is full of crappy forum games, i think intelligent dicussion is needed.

so you suggested that another lounge be created? yes.....i'm puzzled how that one didn't fly....

I know that , but I was told if you topic was intelligent enough and people wanted to post in it it wouldn`t get buried by all that stuff

We have more lounge lizards then we do people interested in that stuff, it will get buried. Besides MX is a music forum and they have their lounge divided up.

No another one created , just a more open one where people can post more loosely.

em...i think the current lounge is as loose as a forum/subforum can get, you can't allow everything....

I know there should be more off topic forums on here , i`ve been saying for months the lounge is to small for what the forum has become.But nobody in charge seems to agree.

Conversations flow , sometimes topics change & other discussions come up. I think threads in the lounge should be allowed to have that happen to them if it happens.At the moment that happens you get moaned at for spamming.

I completely agree that something should be done with the lounge, anyone with half a brain could figure that much out, but only the admins can make a decision like that, and theyre practically never on.

i think you mentioned something about books? that's a bit laughable, seeing as how there's a books thread and me and right-track are the only people bothered to post what we're currently reading....


but this is all off topic....i said what i had to say...

I`ve never seen it

I guess it got buried in pointless threads

I made a movies thread
And it went good for a while
But then everyone started dedicating threads to specific movie, and I was angered.
I definitly agree that we need a politics forum.
With a lounge filled to the brim with useless forum games and random threads
It will be a nice departure to see a forum that people with no intelligence will more than happily stay away from
I think that any arguments that get started in the forum are only healthy
The best way to learn anothers view point is to discuss it
And the way to build upon your own arguments is to hear other sides of the story. Or hear an issue from another person's point of view.
When the arguments are stupid and mindless (a la "Bush is *** because he put us in war!!" ) is when there will be a problem
But as I said earlier
Most people like that would be deterred from the forum in the first place because it would be a forum (for the most part) that is a breeding ground for intelligent conversation