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Scarlett O'Hara 02-08-2006 10:42 PM

I'd like to ask, why did cartoons start this all off? There's always something anti-suicide bombing being put out there!

I think they need to get their religion properly removed from the act of terrorism, because that's not how the real islams follow it.

Merkaba 02-09-2006 01:31 AM

^Well yeah thats what ol' Bennett said in his article, he said the peaceful normal Muslims are far closer to Muhammad then their leaders are.

jibber 02-09-2006 02:25 AM

I love how all the fanatical muslims constantly spew out the words "Islam means "love", it's not a violent religion at all" whenever something like this happens. Sure you're not violent and intolerant, you just believe that women are a man's property, that she shouldn't be able to go anywhere without her father/brother/husband's permission, that she must cover every area of her body entirely (even in 50 degree celcius heat), that she can be beaten at will by any male relative for any reason, legally, and that all "infidels" must be slaughtered in a holy jihad all in the name of that "loving" religion you call Islam. Yeah, REAL loving.....

Scarlett O'Hara 02-09-2006 02:41 AM

Yeah the women really miss out in that religion. I say they need to update the religion to the 21st century, or at least equal rights?

What am I saying, that's like getting China to stop being a communist country!

DontRunMeOver 02-09-2006 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jibber
I love how all the fanatical muslims constantly spew out the words "Islam means "love", it's not a violent religion at all" whenever something like this happens. Sure you're not violent and intolerant, you just believe that women are a man's property, that she shouldn't be able to go anywhere without her father/brother/husband's permission, that she must cover every area of her body entirely (even in 50 degree celcius heat), that she can be beaten at will by any male relative for any reason, legally, and that all "infidels" must be slaughtered in a holy jihad all in the name of that "loving" religion you call Islam. Yeah, REAL loving.....

Calm down, calm down! Those people are right in a certain way. If you read the Qu'ran (which I haven't done, admittedly) then I think there's very little in there that suggest people should commit violent acts against women or against one's enemies. As this book is the basis of Islam then I think they're right to say that, at its core, Islam is a peaceful religion.

The problem is that religious figureheads tend to interpret the writings of holy books to suit their own goals and opinions, which are sometimes violent, while claiming that their religion tells them to do it. This then gives a bad impression of everybody else who's associated with that religion, most of whom have no violent tendencies at all.

jibber 02-09-2006 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver
Calm down, calm down! Those people are right in a certain way. If you read the Qu'ran (which I haven't done, admittedly) then I think there's very little in there that suggest people should commit violent acts against women or against one's enemies. As this book is the basis of Islam then I think they're right to say that, at its core, Islam is a peaceful religion.

The problem is that religious figureheads tend to interpret the writings of holy books to suit their own goals and opinions, which are sometimes violent, while claiming that their religion tells them to do it. This then gives a bad impression of everybody else who's associated with that religion, most of whom have no violent tendencies at all.

I actually HAVE read the Qu'ran (not entirely, but parts), and I have read passages that explicitly state that a woman is a man's posession, must be covered at all times etc etc etc. It's actuallt stated in their holy book that a woman is a comodity, who should have no rights, and in every way is a man's posession. Many islamic countries HAVE updated their laws, and many modern muslims realize that these are completely barbaric rules and should be changed. however, they are still devout muslims, live by the Qu'ran in every other way, and are generally wonderful and admirable people.

DontRunMeOver 02-09-2006 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jibber
I actually HAVE read the Qu'ran (not entirely, but parts), and I have read passages that explicitly state that a woman is a man's posession, must be covered at all times etc etc etc. It's actuallt stated in their holy book that a woman is a comodity, who should have no rights, and in every way is a man's posession. Many islamic countries HAVE updated their laws, and many modern muslims realize that these are completely barbaric rules and should be changed. however, they are still devout muslims, live by the Qu'ran in every other way, and are generally wonderful and admirable people.

I didn't know that part about women being commodities, thanks for the info.

jibber 02-09-2006 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver
I didn't know that part about women being commodities, thanks for the info.

yeah, definitely not a charming aspect of the religion. Don't get me wrong, I've known tons and tons of muslims in my life (growing up in Saudi Arabia has that effect), and the majority are smart, kind, tolerant, just all around great people. They've been able to take the Qu'ran and adapt it to modern living. However, I've also met my fair share of people who are your stereotypical extremist muslims. One guy I went to school with is apparently serving in the Syrian army now, after being kicked out of the country after being involved in a terrorist bombing. He stole my eraser in second grade. bastard.

MURDER JUNKIE 02-09-2006 03:23 AM

^ that's how it all starts..............................erasers

jibber 02-09-2006 03:27 AM

yep, so if anyone ever stole your erasrer as a child, they're gonna be a terrorist. It's a proven fact.


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