franscar

No, I mean proper ski jumping, ie, shoot off the end of a big ramp and FLY, none of this style and artistic merit nonsense.

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jibber

style and artistic merit nonsense? That's what makes it interesting. Arial jumping isnt skiing. Most of the guys in that even are litterally just gymnasts who've learned how to land on skis. On a real mountain, they wouldnt even be able to link two turns together. The good stuff is when you combine both, big mountain lines, and rediculously nice trick. That "nonsense" as you call it is what gives our sport individuality, and what has completely revolutionized skiing. Before freeskiing started up, skiing was dying, because people were getting bored of chasing gates 24/7, doing the same icey run over and over and over, and having every movement dictated. Adding jumps, spins and grabs has breathed new life into the sport, and no matter how much you call it nonsense, it's f*cking hard, and if you think the guys going off jumps dont go big, you need to educate yourself. The freestyle skiing you see in the olympics is NOTHING compared to real freeskiing. try watching the X-Games to see some REAL jumps. these guys fly 85 feet horizontally, get about 20 feet above the ground level, spinning 1080's all while holding a grab and making it look insanely easy. These guys are progressing the sport, and keeping it from becoming stagnant. The olympic freestyle event is STARTING to show signs of it, but if you knew anything about freeskiing you'd laugh at how incredibly far beind they are. The olympics are a LONG way off from showing the REAL soul and excitement of freeskiing.

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franscar

That's what makes it easier to cheat.

From what I've seen of the X-games, which I am happy to admit isn't an amazing amount, they all have a go, and then whoever is the biggest, most famous name wins, regardless of the tricks they do, because judging panels, in every sport, are a horrific mess of bias and corruption.

Being able to fly on skis a long distance would surely represent the best ability to fly on skis, and ergo would be worthy of a medal, same way whoever jumps the furthest in the long jump gets the gold medal. No need for "artistic merit" at all.

I'm not denying the talents of the people involved, so there's no need to challenge me to try moguls or 360's or whatever, I appreciate you have a passion for this that I don't share, but that was a bit of a pointless thing to say. If I could mogul or whatever, then I'd be out there, no doubt getting screwed over by bad judging because I'm not from a fashionable winter sports country.

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That comment right there lets me know that you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. You don't know ANYTHING about the technical ability to perform jumps. You're basing everything off what you've seen in olympic freestyle, and a few minutes of the X-games. Olympic freestyle skiing judges don't know sh*t about what they're judging when it comes ot the actual tricks. That event is so f*cking far behind it would take about 3 pages of me rambling on and on about the technical aspects of the sport to even give you a SLIGHT comprehension of it. The X-games judges are FAR more knowledgable. how the FU*K would you know if they're just rewarding the bigest names? I bet you couldn't even name ONE big name in freeskiing, aside from tanner hall who I mentioned earlier. How the f*ck would YOU know which tricks should be awarded more points? You've the only competition you've ever seen is a few minutes of the X-games. You don't even have the slightest comprehension about what they're actually throwing, what makes one guy's trick harder than another guy's, or what kind of mistakes can lower a score. You're talking sh*t about something you know nothing about. The X-games are the complete opposite of the olympics in terms of judging. of course, if you'd spent any time talking to ANYONE who's involved ina sport featured in the x-games, you would have an idea of this. The judges of the x-games are ALL former or current athelets. they LIVE for the sport. Judges at an olympic event are looking out for their country, primarily, because they're picked by their country's olympic comittee. The fact that you even COMPARED the judges of the x-games to the olympic judges just shows how rediculously ignorant you are on the subject.

You talk about distance jumping being the truest test of an athletes air ability. Dead, F*CKING wrong. If you'd ever been off a jump on skis you'd know this. It takes two things to be able to do that, major balls, and VERY simple technique. You have to know when to pop off the jump. FUC*ING easy to learn how to do. Then you have to perfect your position in the air, which doesn't take too long to learn how. Throwing an ACTUAL trick off of a jump takes SO much more technical ability. Ski Jumping takes VERY little actual skill. The X-games judges aren't perfect, but they're the closest thing to that exists at this time, and they by no means just reward the biggest names. Have you ever seen any other freeskiing competitions that are open to anyone? The US Open perhaps? No? didn't think so. if you'd ever bothered to do a little research before you started slamming a sport, you would know that comps like that bend over backwards to give unknown skiers a chance for success. Know who the Silver medalist in the Big Air event at the US Open last year was? Derek Spong, a 14 year old who no one had heard of before then. he came out of nowhere, blew the competition away, won the silver very fairly, and now has sponsors lining up at his feet to pay him to wear their clothes and ski on their equipment. Do you think there's any way that would happen with an FIS event? You don't have any idea how much bullsh*t the ski jumping athletes have to go through to get to compete in the olympics. most of the funding comes from the athletes themselves, so if you dont have cash, you wont be able to get onto a team, wont be able to train, wont be able to compete. Does that sound like a very fair way of finding the best athletes? f*ck no. That's the reason why adding freeskiing to the olympics is such a big controversy within the freeskiing community. but of course, you wouldn't know anything about that. freeskiers thrive on the fact that the judges of our sport ACTUALLY understand the technical merits of every trick thrown, and are ACTUALLY able to judge accurately. An olympic judge would be picked by the FIS, and those judges don't know the first f*cking thing about what kind of tricks are more difficult and thus should be awarded more points.

Point being, don't try to talk like you have even the slightest idea about the judging process involved in any kind of skiing event, because clearly, you know absolutely nothing, and really are in no position to bash it.

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franscar

Considering I started by talking about SKI JUMPING I think this pretty much covers the inanity of your entire post. I do not care about this freestyle thing, I'd have thought that was quite obvious. I'll type it out again though, just for you to, maybe, just maybe this time, actually read the most important words there. SKI JUMPING Here's a picture of someone SKI JUMPING:



Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards. SKI JUMPING Not freestyle skiing. Not pulling a mad ollie from a fakie with double handgrip. JUMPING

Although the rest of your post pretty much sums up the elitism in every "alternative" sport that pretty much guarantees they'll remain that way. Next time you decide to rant on about something, at least have the good grace to not just use the other person's posts as a breather for you to compose another set of irrelevant points.

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