jibber

That comment right there lets me know that you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. You don't know ANYTHING about the technical ability to perform jumps. You're basing everything off what you've seen in olympic freestyle, and a few minutes of the X-games. Olympic freestyle skiing judges don't know sh*t about what they're judging when it comes ot the actual tricks. That event is so f*cking far behind it would take about 3 pages of me rambling on and on about the technical aspects of the sport to even give you a SLIGHT comprehension of it. The X-games judges are FAR more knowledgable. how the FU*K would you know if they're just rewarding the bigest names? I bet you couldn't even name ONE big name in freeskiing, aside from tanner hall who I mentioned earlier. How the f*ck would YOU know which tricks should be awarded more points? You've the only competition you've ever seen is a few minutes of the X-games. You don't even have the slightest comprehension about what they're actually throwing, what makes one guy's trick harder than another guy's, or what kind of mistakes can lower a score. You're talking sh*t about something you know nothing about. The X-games are the complete opposite of the olympics in terms of judging. of course, if you'd spent any time talking to ANYONE who's involved ina sport featured in the x-games, you would have an idea of this. The judges of the x-games are ALL former or current athelets. they LIVE for the sport. Judges at an olympic event are looking out for their country, primarily, because they're picked by their country's olympic comittee. The fact that you even COMPARED the judges of the x-games to the olympic judges just shows how rediculously ignorant you are on the subject.

You talk about distance jumping being the truest test of an athletes air ability. Dead, F*CKING wrong. If you'd ever been off a jump on skis you'd know this. It takes two things to be able to do that, major balls, and VERY simple technique. You have to know when to pop off the jump. FUC*ING easy to learn how to do. Then you have to perfect your position in the air, which doesn't take too long to learn how. Throwing an ACTUAL trick off of a jump takes SO much more technical ability. Ski Jumping takes VERY little actual skill. The X-games judges aren't perfect, but they're the closest thing to that exists at this time, and they by no means just reward the biggest names. Have you ever seen any other freeskiing competitions that are open to anyone? The US Open perhaps? No? didn't think so. if you'd ever bothered to do a little research before you started slamming a sport, you would know that comps like that bend over backwards to give unknown skiers a chance for success. Know who the Silver medalist in the Big Air event at the US Open last year was? Derek Spong, a 14 year old who no one had heard of before then. he came out of nowhere, blew the competition away, won the silver very fairly, and now has sponsors lining up at his feet to pay him to wear their clothes and ski on their equipment. Do you think there's any way that would happen with an FIS event? You don't have any idea how much bullsh*t the ski jumping athletes have to go through to get to compete in the olympics. most of the funding comes from the athletes themselves, so if you dont have cash, you wont be able to get onto a team, wont be able to train, wont be able to compete. Does that sound like a very fair way of finding the best athletes? f*ck no. That's the reason why adding freeskiing to the olympics is such a big controversy within the freeskiing community. but of course, you wouldn't know anything about that. freeskiers thrive on the fact that the judges of our sport ACTUALLY understand the technical merits of every trick thrown, and are ACTUALLY able to judge accurately. An olympic judge would be picked by the FIS, and those judges don't know the first f*cking thing about what kind of tricks are more difficult and thus should be awarded more points.

Point being, don't try to talk like you have even the slightest idea about the judging process involved in any kind of skiing event, because clearly, you know absolutely nothing, and really are in no position to bash it.

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^That was a bit harsh, wasn't it? I mean you'd probably know about this stuff better than anyone else here, but still...

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franscar

Just came across as incredibly prissy to me.

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jibber

yes I do know more about this stuff better than anyone else on the forum, and I'd be more than willing to spend hours and hours talking about it to anyone who will listen. I've talked to tons of people who really know nothing about the sport, but they are gracious enough to admit that they don't have enough knowledge to pass a judgement on it. Franscar bashed it without a shred of knowledge, making false assumptions and not even attempting to find out the facts beforehand. if you'd like to learn about the judging process, the history of the sport, the technical aspects of it, I would love to explain it. but if you're not even interested in educating yourself about it, then don't knock it.

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franscar

Considering I started by talking about SKI JUMPING I think this pretty much covers the inanity of your entire post. I do not care about this freestyle thing, I'd have thought that was quite obvious. I'll type it out again though, just for you to, maybe, just maybe this time, actually read the most important words there. SKI JUMPING Here's a picture of someone SKI JUMPING:



Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards. SKI JUMPING Not freestyle skiing. Not pulling a mad ollie from a fakie with double handgrip. JUMPING

Although the rest of your post pretty much sums up the elitism in every "alternative" sport that pretty much guarantees they'll remain that way. Next time you decide to rant on about something, at least have the good grace to not just use the other person's posts as a breather for you to compose another set of irrelevant points.

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jibber

yes, we started talking about "proper ski jumping" as you so inteligently put it. To which I then stated that distance ski jumping really required very little technical skill or air sense. I stated a more accurate measure of an atheletes technical ability of jumping would be seen in freeskiing, to which you replied with this:

so you basically denounced the credibility of an entire sport because you were under the false assumption that the judging was unfair. THAT is why I replied the way i did, going into such detail about freeskiing, because YOU were the one who denounced the entire sport as a bullsh*t competition with no way of accurately judging an athelete's ability.

You are the reason that all of us in our "alternative" sports have such a so called "elitist" attitude. If you had any sort of knowledge about ANY aspect of skiing, be it racing, or "proper ski jumping", I would have taken your post more seriously, and attempted to have a discussion with you about it. however, you decided that you decide exactly what kind of event would measure a skier's ability, without any knowledge on the subject at all, and then have the nerve to call ME elitist? I can afford to act like I know all there is to know about the sport, because I do. If I couldn't back up that claim, I wouldn't be making posts like that. You on the other hand made an arrogant post about how unfair and unreliable ALL freestyle competitions are, based on an incredibly shallow and superficial view of skiing. So don't try and tell me that I took your post out of context to push my own agenda. You were the one who claimed to know something about freeskiing, you were the one who denounced the entire sport, and so naturally, I made sure you knew exactly how wrong you were.

Would you like a detailed account of every single technical aspect of Ski Jumping? Would you like to know exactly how an athlete is chosen to compete in the olympics? I'd be able to tell you that, and I'm sure it would give you a better understanding of how ski jumping is not by any standards the best measure of a skier's jumping ability.

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franscar

Fourteen year old kid comes from "nowhere" to win silver medal. Ends up with masses of sponsorship and publicity. Your own example, pretty much reeking of the most obvious forms of marketing and money playing a simple, easily managed role in all forms of judged sport. But of course, that couldn't happen in the X-games...

Newsflash, sport, especially any judged by a panel, is a heaving mess of corruption and lies and deceit. Disbelieve it if you want to, it isn't my problem.

I kinda doubt that, but then I never claimed to have any sort of knowledge, and it seems anything I would have typed after you got a bee in your bonnet would have been roundly ignored anyway, because it doesn't fit your personally decided logic pattern.

No, I was wondering why the person who didn't jump the furthest was ending up ahead because of "style", you know, like in any other olympic sport of a similar stature. Long jump, discuss, bobsleigh, all competed for by being faster, or further than the opponents, not being judged "better" by a faceless committee. You decided to take that as an excuse to open both barrels.

I'm not allowed to say I prefer ski jumping because I don't appreciate the ability it takes to do a mogul. Your words, slightly paraphrased, but your words. Yes, I think that's an elitist attitude.

Congratulations. I was not aware of any post made that questioned your knowledge of or dedication to the sport.

"Shallow and superficial" view of all sports involving a judging panel actually. Boxing, gymnastics, ballroom dancing, the whole lot. ALL completely open to misuse, always have been. To try and claim otherwise is just frighteningly naive.

Er you did, because...

... I didn't. Really, I'd like to see the comment, and the context which makes it a proclamation of my knowledge on freeskiing.

If I wanted to denounce the entire sport I'd have said it was boring and I just wanted to see someone crash a luge. I'd have thought every post I'd made in this thread showed that, to me, the Winter Olympics are about as important as something to watch to kill some time before I go to bed. Even then, I hardly see how calling something boring is "denouncing" the entire sport and worthy of these bizarre outbursts with no real focus nor direction.

To be quite honest with you, no. I'd like to know why there was a competition on my tellybox last night where people were doing ski jumping, and being awarded marks for style (out of 20 from each judge) as well as distance, even when a competition solely based on distance exists. That was all I posted to enquire about. It puzzled me and I wondered why it happened. Apparently that makes me an arrogant proclaimer of knowledge.

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jibber

*sigh*

I'm just going to make a quick post explaining the technical aspects of both sports. The reason jumping ability in ski jumping isn't accurately measure by distance is because it takes very little skill to be able to go further, when compared to the skill it takes to smoothly maneuver through a trick in the air, keeping on track with the landing, and land it perfectly. The marks for style and distance that you saw was airial jumping, completely different sport. Most olympics airial jumpers are simply gymnasts who've learned how to land on skis. Take them to a real hill and they couldn't link two turns together. that doesn't go for all of them, obviously, but it does for the majority of them. Now, they are great jumpers for sure, but it has nothing to do with skiing, which is why it is not an accurate measure of skill for ski jumping. As for the judging aspects, yes, olympic judges are corrupt, superficial, and often way off the mark, and more than often unfair because they are catering to their own agendas. that's OLYMPIC JUDGES. they are picked by the countrie's olympic comittee. the judging from the X Games is the exact opposite. I said this before, but you conveniently failed to notice it, so I'll quote from my previous post:

X Games judges are not biased for their country, and it is painfully easy to see that they actually know how to recognize technical ability, if you know the sport, and if you've spent years and years skiing, watching skiing, filming skiing, and talking about skiing. It may not be easy for YOU to see this, but as I pointed out, that is due to the fact that you have very little knowledge about the technical aspects of it.

As for this statement:

Once again, you make a snap judgement of the sport with no knowledge to back it up. It is literally impossible for a judging comittee to create hype over one athelete so that corporations can profit off of his "unexpected sucess" to earn money, and here's why:

because freeskiing started as such an off the radar sport, the community itself is incredibly tight knit. You can't compare any other olympic sport to freeskiing right now, because all have become too comercialized, too corporate driven, and too controlled by judging comittees not in tune to what's actually going on in the sport. Because of this, the major companies marketed towards freeskiers are althete driven, many were stareted by atheletes themselves. The main source of information regarding upcoming talents is the internet, namely, a website forum devoted to freeskiing, with over 40,000 members. Every competition in existence is talked about on these forums, no matter how big or small. Every single young, up-coming talent is mentioned somewhere. The US freeskiing Open is open to anyone who wishes to enter, and who has qualified through very small, very local competitions, designed to give anyone a chance to enter, because they require very, VERY low addmissions costs. Derek Spong really did come out of nowhere, and because of his skill and ability, was able to easily gain the success and rewards he deserved. this happens a lot in freeskiing, because there is no worldwide federation that regulates competitions. because of this, judges are not merely random people chosen by a certain country wanting only the people from their country to win. This is why the judging at freeskiing competitions IS ACURATE, and also why no freeskiing events are included in the olympics at this time.

I have proven every single point you made in your last post wrong. Now do you think you'd better educate yourself a little more before you try to make claims like this?

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Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass.

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dirt mcgirt

tha biatihlon is hella ganxta son. skiin an shootin, like a norwegian drive-by. naamean?

adidasss

ok, Bode has just over 2 seconds advantage before the slalom infront of Raich and Kostelic....i wonder if he's actually going to win this one, he tends to drop out of slalom races a lot.....

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