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Reznorslave 04-11-2006 10:35 PM

As a new poster here I think the site is great. Their aren't many websites out there that you can truly "talk" music with people that have tastes as broad as the members here. I have already been turned on to some great music by some of the senior members here!

explosions-in-my-pants 04-11-2006 11:01 PM

i will stand up and take half the blame for this site going down hill.. haha :p:

and your all talking about how there's to much fighting going on here.. well thats where the action is. if everyone stopped doing that this place would pretty well be dead because all of the fights gets everyone in motion and then everyones posting and more people seem interested and come back more offten to see whats on the go.. then post some more..

when it comes to who's a good poster or not, it doesn't matter because everyone who post other then myself and MURDER JUNKIE (know most of post are pointless and we just wish we could talk about porn haha jk) think there post are worth reading and think they all have good opinions on things or they wouldn't post..

NOBODY GETS ME me so funny! haha

sense i've joined this site back in dec 05 its been slowing down a lot here and i make less and less post, but i still come here about 100 times a day and chect in on things.. there's just nothing much going on here anymore.

i find it really strange that there are so many members to this site yet there only seems to be a steady 25 posters give or take.. i don't mind it cause i'm used to everyone here like when i was in school i would get used to the people in my class and it would just seem strange without so and so.. well its just like that here... wether i like you or not it would be strange without some of you.. its true and i know a lot of you see it that way as well.. i mean if bill left so would a lot of the entertainment.. get my point?

A_Perfect_Sonnet 04-12-2006 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by hiu
Still better than Comeback Kid.

I'm sure if we placed a list of all the music that you listened to against my list, you would win for certain.

hiu 04-12-2006 12:56 AM

Most likely, yes.

Spikey 04-12-2006 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by explosions-in-my-pants
i will stand up and take half the blame for this site going down hill.. haha :p:

and your all talking about how there's to much fighting going on here.. well thats where the action is. if everyone stopped doing that this place would pretty well be dead because all of the fights gets everyone in motion and then everyones posting and more people seem interested and come back more offten to see whats on the go.. then post some more..

when it comes to who's a good poster or not, it doesn't matter because everyone who post other then myself and MURDER JUNKIE (know most of post are pointless and we just wish we could talk about porn haha jk) think there post are worth reading and think they all have good opinions on things or they wouldn't post..

NOBODY GETS ME me so funny! haha

sense i've joined this site back in dec 05 its been slowing down a lot here and i make less and less post, but i still come here about 100 times a day and chect in on things.. there's just nothing much going on here anymore.

i find it really strange that there are so many members to this site yet there only seems to be a steady 25 posters give or take.. i don't mind it cause i'm used to everyone here like when i was in school i would get used to the people in my class and it would just seem strange without so and so.. well its just like that here... wether i like you or not it would be strange without some of you.. its true and i know a lot of you see it that way as well.. i mean if bill left so would a lot of the entertainment.. get my point?

True and I agree but they don't have to always be.. n00b this n00b that, sh!thead this sh!thead that
If that were out of the way then we'd have friendly arguements :)

Nikie Pentagram 04-12-2006 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Reznorslave
As a new poster here I think the site is great. Their aren't many websites out there that you can truly "talk" music with people that have tastes as broad as the members here. I have already been turned on to some great music by some of the senior members here!

*Agrees*

Don 04-12-2006 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog
you can't answer it, its subjective, and punk has always have one foot in the pop market. Theres nothing that says punk can't be pop. Being pop doesn't make something not punk.

In fact I'd argue that punk was a movement back toward pop.

Musical styles aren't subjective. Perhaps read a musical encyclopedia, it's like saying encyclopaedias are subjective. If we could grasp what "knowledge" really is there wouldn't be so many arguments. Greenday are punk-pop. I've read about the definitions of what it means to be punk-pop and have applied it to them. I have also read it in a musical encyclopedia and other sources that they are the grade A example of punk-pop. To me, that's as close as to "knowledge" as you're gonna get on things such as this. But the main argument is actually contrasted with the word "punk," and what it means to be punk, which (some will tell you) mightn't even have anything to do with the music you play. Maybe some people just aren't aware that “punk-pop” is a word and has a definition (which obviously can't be argued), just like any other word - although this one was contrived in the music scene for whatever reason (it's irrelevant), and wasn't necessarily inducing that Greenday are “true” punk. You can argue with the derivation of the term, but it's not going to get you anywhere. You might as well write a complaint to the editor of dictionaries.
If everyone comes to grips with that then it'd hopefully solve the problem of these silly debates.

boo boo 04-12-2006 06:07 AM

Punk can be a loose term, just because a band isnt really anti establishment or whatever or because they're very popular, it dosent make them not punk, the fact of the matter is, Green Days songs follow the standard punk rock format.

Nasally, smirky vocals?

Check.

Substandard rhythm section?

Check.

Very distorted, downtuned guitars?

Check.

Simple 3 and 4 chord riffs?

Check.

Lyrics that have elements of nihilism, anti-social sentiments and social satire?

Check.

Catchy verse/chrous/verse style pop songs?

Check.

Sounds punk to me.

Don 04-12-2006 06:55 AM

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Catchy verse/chrous/verse style pop songs?
And that's more or less where punk-pop comes in, loosely based on your criteria.

Don't forget about how punk can be more arty e.g Joy Division.

Bands like Greenday revitalised punk, changing it, hence why there is now the term punk-pop.

jr. 04-12-2006 07:42 AM

You know, I have read in this thread, more than once, that there aren't any 'new posters'.

When a new poster arrives, he/she is promptly held down and beaten. I don't know if it's some sort of gang mentality or what, but I have seen it several times.

A new poster starts a thread, and instead of getting:

" We already discussed this topic, here is the link. Have a read, and add your opinions. And welcome."

They get:

"You f^ckin' retard newbie, if you would use your G.D. brain, blah blah blah..", followed by a handful of other posters, jumping in and taking their shot.


Is it any wonder we don't have any new posters? After a first impression like that? The only ones who stay are the ones who are just as rude as the people who were rude to them.

It doesn't cost anything to be tolerant, or have a little patience with someone less experienced.

Don 04-12-2006 07:52 AM

If you can't take jokes or insults you shouldn't be posting on a forum where you're obviously going to come across many different types of personalities.

jr. 04-12-2006 07:59 AM

That's fair enough, I suppose. I'm simply saying, if the first thing a person encounters is being attacked when they show up here, more than likely, they're not going to come back.

I personally don't think insulting people is a constructive way to spend my time, so I don't do it. I don't judge others, because I don't walk in their shoes.

I certainly would never attack anyone I never met.

boo boo 04-12-2006 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Don
And that's more or less where punk-pop comes in, loosely based on your criteria.

Don't forget about how punk can be more arty e.g Joy Division.

Bands like Greenday revitalised punk, changing it, hence why there is now the term punk-pop.

By your logic, The Ramones are not punk, they are pop punk, think about it, every song they have is in the standard pop format, and easy to say it worked for them and they became very popular.

Pop punk has punk it its title for a reason, its a certain type of punk, in other words, pop punk is punk, dumbass.

Don 04-12-2006 08:52 AM

Ramones didn't revitalise rock and were never about being poppy. Of course punk-pop is related to punk. Heavy Metal is related to Death Metal, do you think they're the same?

punk-pop ≠ punk.

boo boo 04-12-2006 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Don
Ramones didn't revitalise rock and were never about being poppy.

Listen to Blitzkrieg Bop and tell me that.

Their music is practically pop with loud distorted guitars....Johnny and Joey were pop enthusiasts.


Quote:

Of course punk-pop is related to punk. Heavy Metal is related to Death Metal, do you think they're the same?

punk-pop ≠ punk.
Death Metal is Metal also, duh.

Urban Hat€monger ? 04-12-2006 11:09 AM

It would be nice if almost every single thread didn`t end up with either a genre arguement or Don & Boo Boo going at it yet again.

Or in this case both.

Urban Hat€monger ? 04-12-2006 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Fenixpunk
or...just a suggestion...if someone wants to review a record, they can make a thread about it in one of the several already existing forums. if they happend to put a certain band in the wrong genre, a mod can move it to its correct place. Everything would have to be completely on topic, Feel free to give your thought on an album that has been reviewed, but don't make requests for an album to be reviewed. As long as everything is uniform, it should be great.

The threads should be named like:

Morrissey - Ringleader Of The Tormentors

And everything will be easy to search, I think it is a great idea.



but, hey what do i know, it might be just a little to crazy for some ppl to follow.

True but I don`t see how it would hurt to have a forum dedicated to it.
Especially as we have a forum in the shape of the song of the week forum that is never used anyway & has never been used in the year & a half i`ve been here.

explosions-in-my-pants 04-12-2006 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jr.
You know, I have read in this thread, more than once, that there aren't any 'new posters'.

When a new poster arrives, he/she is promptly held down and beaten. I don't know if it's some sort of gang mentality or what, but I have seen it several times.

A new poster starts a thread, and instead of getting:

" We already discussed this topic, here is the link. Have a read, and add your opinions. And welcome."

They get:

"You f^ckin' retard newbie, if you would use your G.D. brain, blah blah blah..", followed by a handful of other posters, jumping in and taking their shot.


Is it any wonder we don't have any new posters? After a first impression like that? The only ones who stay are the ones who are just as rude as the people who were rude to them.

It doesn't cost anything to be tolerant, or have a little patience with someone less experienced.

when i first joined i was attack for every little thing i say... after a while i know that a few people were just watching me and waiting for me to say something anything just so they could start off another fight.. but yea why i stayed i don't know.. i just did fights or no fights this place gives me something to do... but as for most people that sign up to this place i can see why they would run away with there little tails between there leggers.

Urban Hat€monger ? 04-12-2006 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by explosions-in-my-pants
when i first joined i was attack for every little thing i say...

I think you were attacked more for saying those little things about 200 times a day :p:

boo boo 04-12-2006 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger
It would be nice if almost every single thread didn`t end up with either a genre arguement or Don & Boo Boo going at it yet again.

Or in this case both.

Well, theres no real topic at hand for this thread anyway, care to start one?

Lemmie start.

So how was your day?

Urban Hat€monger ? 04-12-2006 11:39 AM

You could say how great my idea was if you like

boo boo 04-12-2006 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger
You could say how great my idea was if you like

About the competition between me and Don to decide which one goes?... I thought it was a good idea but the mods didnt like it. :(

Urban Hat€monger ? 04-12-2006 11:42 AM

Not that one , this one

http://www.musicbanter.com/showpost....5&postcount=41
http://www.musicbanter.com/showpost....7&postcount=97

boo boo 04-12-2006 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Yeah that is a good idea. :)

Fenixpunk 04-12-2006 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger
True but I don`t see how it would hurt to have a forum dedicated to it.
Especially as we have a forum in the shape of the song of the week forum that is never used anyway & has never been used in the year & a half i`ve been here.


so how about we change the name of the song of the week forum to album reviews?...of course it wouldnt be genre specific because who wants another 15 sub forums so it would basically be like a very unorganized record collection, i still dont see the problem with reviewing records in an already existing forum..if people cant behave themselves on those, i doubt they would anywhere.

TheBig3 04-12-2006 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Don
Musical styles aren't subjective. Perhaps read a musical encyclopedia, it's like saying encyclopaedias are subjective.

Yeah, you know something, I don't care if it’s rude or elitist, you might be the dumbest person on here ever. I mean some people deliberately come here and spam, but they aren't trying to pass themselves off as serious.

Your sentence structure was atrocious, your argument was laughable, and your arrogance rivals my own. I wonder sir what degrees you actually have and what institution gave them to you.

Let’s just take that first sentence out behind the wood shed for a moment. They aren't subjective? Perhaps if someone better versed in punk than I listed 30 bands you would be able to accurately decide whether or not they were punk or "other." And unless they were obnoxiously obscure, you ought to know them since you prance around this thread with the air of consummate punk fan.

Instead, how about you list us the definitive criteria for a punk band.

hiu 04-12-2006 03:14 PM

They have to do something different and be original. If that fails they have to have a mohawk and sing anarchy.

mosesandtherubberducky 04-12-2006 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog
Instead, how about you list us the definitive criteria for a punk band.


I'd just like to say that if Don does reply to this I'm going to laugh my ass off. I can already guess what B.S. he is going to pull out of his ass.

right-track 04-12-2006 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog
I wonder sir what degrees you actually have and what institution gave them to you.

A mental institution? :D

Fenixpunk 04-12-2006 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hiu
They have to do something different and be original. If that fails they have to have a mohawk and sing anarchy.


false, false and false....and false.

boo boo 04-12-2006 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog
Yeah, you know something, I don't care if it’s rude or elitist, you might be the dumbest person on here ever. I mean some people deliberately come here and spam, but they aren't trying to pass themselves off as serious.

Your sentence structure was atrocious, your argument was laughable, and your arrogance rivals my own. I wonder sir what degrees you actually have and what institution gave them to you.

I hate to say i told you so, but i told you so. ;)

TheBig3 04-12-2006 09:45 PM

Told me so what?

hiu 04-12-2006 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenixpunk
false, false and false....and false.

It's a joke. false, false, false and false*.

Spikey 04-13-2006 12:29 AM

Boo Boo I hate you. I finally, finally gave in and clicked your link and there are cds and no naked britney!! You ninny :laughing:

Cheese 04-13-2006 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikey
Boo Boo I hate you. I finally, finally gave in and clicked your link and there are cds and no naked britney!! You ninny :laughing:

:laughing: Sucked in!

Don 04-13-2006 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog
Yeah, you know something, I don't care if it’s rude or elitist, you might be the dumbest person on here ever. I mean some people deliberately come here and spam, but they aren't trying to pass themselves off as serious.

Your sentence structure was atrocious, your argument was laughable, and your arrogance rivals my own. I wonder sir what degrees you actually have and what institution gave them to you.

Let’s just take that first sentence out behind the wood shed for a moment. They aren't subjective? Perhaps if someone better versed in punk than I listed 30 bands you would be able to accurately decide whether or not they were punk or "other." And unless they were obnoxiously obscure, you ought to know them since you prance around this thread with the air of consummate punk fan.

Instead, how about you list us the definitive criteria for a punk band.

This is funny; you call me dumb, yet you don't even know the criteria for being punk. You said my "sentence structure" was atrocious? Oh noooooo, I was typing on a FORUM at 1am in the morning! Do you think I'm going to actually give a **** how my sentences come out? I just finished writing a 3000+ page (in word, 12 font, single spaced) epic novel which will be published soon and you think you can take little shots at me? That's pretty lolly. To answer one of you questions, I completed my double degree a few years ago at Sydney University.

You aren't educated in music well enough to call me the "dumbest person" on here. You couldn't even come up with a rebuttal to my reply in the DT thread. And yet you said my "argument was laughable?" That's sorta funny, seeing as though I wasn't even arguing. It would help for you to actually know what one was before you make outrageous claims mocking my intelligence.

Regarding a “definitive criteria” for punk (or any other rock style for that matter), I believe boo boo summed it up well, but this wasn't the point of my post. I was merely pointing out that such things are pointless to argue when everyone definitions of a particular concept differ. You didn't even understand my post yet you said my “argument was laughable.” You know what's laughable...? roflol

Scarlett O'Hara 04-13-2006 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss
to each his/her own, i discovered an incredible amount of new music in the past 6 months, and god help me, but your taste in music is strange to say the least....you're a hard man to please as far as new music is concerned and i never really thought you discovered anything via this forum.

i'm getting really sick of threads like these, riseagainst made one a year or so ago, then big3, ledzepstu also likes to bitch, hookers, and a shit load of newbies can't seem to shut up about how this place sucks ass and/or is boring. yes it's boring when you spend 12 hours a day on it, i mean what do you expect, for something intersting to be going on every second of the day? sure it's boring when noone posts just arround the time you have nothing better to do but to sit behind you computer desk and stare at the screen. i encounter that problem all the time, yet i don't make threads or bitch about it or threaten to leave. i like this site very much, but it's not my main form of discovering new music. when the forum is dead, i go on last.fm and cruise, or i go to pitchfork, insound, nme.com or god knows how many other music sites. don't expect new music to come here, try to search for it yourself once in a while.

i also see no problems wiht arguments or the main villain of the past week, Don. so what if he's arogant? if you don't wanna talk to him put him on your ignore list. i don't think anyone will do that because even though you bitch about his presence, you all love the arguments because we're all a bit immature and like to quibble over bullshit and try to prove to the other party that we're smarter/better/wittier than them.

what makes this site great in my opinion is the liberal moderation. everyone is allowed to be an asshole from time to time, and from what i could observe in the past year, none of those arguments are too "violent" andf the parties involved always seem to find a way to speak to each other civily. if you ban someone ( and i'm not speaking about retarded spammers ), you're not allowing for the matter to be resolved in a natural way. i got banned on another site for argueing and still think it was a wrong call, i'm back on that site and get along with the other person just fine now. but that site is nowhere near as good as this one is, even though it's similar in size. there is no personal contact there, the conservative moderation stiffles any sort of childish fun we're accustomed to having here....

I agree, I think the main reason for the board being quite is because it's during semesters and school terms. I have a ****load of work to do at University, I'm lucky to get on here once a week.

I think people if you are bored of this site, then leave or make it interesting instead of telling others to. Music banter is what you make it. You have to work together.

Oh and lets face it, some people are arrogant, and I think it's good, brings a little excitement into the place.

Cheese 04-13-2006 04:53 AM

Long time, no see:)

Scarlett O'Hara 04-13-2006 04:55 AM

Hey honey, how have things been going with you? :D

Cheese 04-13-2006 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla
Hey honey, how have things been going with you? :D

You know, same sh*t different smell. In the midst of house hunting.


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