Cosmo Kramer makes an ass out of himself. (country, single)

~~hiu~~ · 11-23-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RHYMEFESTkillah

Cracker is not racist unless you are an immature child. Cracker means nothing and has no historical significance. I'll say it again that White Europeans are the only group of people in this country who have not faced oppression of any sort. Cracker doesn't mean anything and isn't reminicient of your oppression, or of discrimination against you. A white person is not capable of empathisizing with a black or a latino simply because they have never been part of a race that DOESN'T give them advantage over another race. This is called "White Privilage" which is a very popular theorem, and before you tell me that racism works both ways, look it up. Prejudice and racism are NOT the same thing.

Wasn't the whole reason Europeans moved to America because they were being persecuted because of their religion? Well the pilgrims anyway.

But cracker is racist terminology. Your logic is so stupid it's pathetic.

~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ · 11-23-2006, 05:36 PM

Religion =/= race, what is your point again?
What does cracker mean? What MAKES it racist?

The reason ****** is a hurtful word is because of the time period it went along with.
People don't get worked up over words that mean nothing.

I would say that you're logic is stupid, but you really don't have any.

_Spinning_ · 11-23-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RHYMEFESTkillah

What is it with New Zelanders thinking they have any idea what racism in America is like?
The reason you think that way is because you are white (most likely, unless you fall in that 14% indigenous peoples or 6% asian descent) you really wouldn't have to worry about being harrassed. Not only that, but even IF you were to be harrassed, none of the harrassment would strike a cord since you nor your people have ever been oppressed or had racism used against them.

New Zealand is similar in the way that we have a race breakdown close to yours.

The White people weren't here first. The native Maori of the country were persecuted etc etc etc.

I don't think I know everything about Racism in America. Not once did I say that. I just can't get over how over-analytical your society is.

It was a fucking joke. Get over it.

~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ · 11-23-2006, 05:38 PM

Did you watch the video? It wasn't a joke.
Harrassing audience members is not a joke and harrassing them because of their race certainly is not a joke.

_Spinning_ · 11-23-2006, 05:39 PM

It's called Heckling.

Google it.

It's real.

~~hiu~~ · 11-23-2006, 05:39 PM

This is what RHYMEFESTkillah has basically said in this thread:

Only white people can be racist, because, ya know, they're white.
Black people can't be racist because, ya know, they're black.

In theory he's being racist right now, racial prejudice.

_Spinning_ · 11-23-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hiu

This is what RHYMEFESTkillah has basically said in this thread:

Only white people can be racist, because, ya know, they're white.
Black people can't be racist because, ya know, they're black.

In theory he's being racist right now, racial prejudice.

Pwned.

Argument over.

Close thread

Well done, Hiu.

Merkaba · 11-23-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RHYMEFESTkillah

What is it with New Zelanders thinking they have any idea what racism in America is like?
The reason you think that way is because you are white (most likely, unless you fall in that 14% indigenous peoples or 6% asian descent) you really wouldn't have to worry about being harrassed. Not only that, but even IF you were to be harrassed, none of the harrassment would strike a cord since you nor your people have ever been oppressed or had racism used against them.

What is it with you thinking we don't know what it's like?

Our "indiginous" people are mostly black and they follow the same idealisms of black americans. Their culture is huge in our country, we even split our national anthem into two versions.

Racism is not an America only thing, you're not any further up the road to understanding it then we are.

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Originally Posted by RHYMEFESTkillah

That is classic prejudice bred from ignorance.

Woohoo thank you for saying this. What difference does singling out have as opposed to talking in general? It's still the same thing. There is no difference between what that black guy said on stage to a live audience than if he had said it specifically to someone. It's still labelling a group derogatorily. Again, these double standards are bull.

swim · 11-23-2006, 05:44 PM

In the end words are words. If no actions were taken I can't see it being a bigger deal than realizing someone is ******* with poor character that you don't want to be affiliated with. I mean I know things can be hurtful but at some point you have to draw the line and say well **** there's nothing I can do about it, forget them. Sueing someone over words? Are you serious? That's bull****.

~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ · 11-23-2006, 05:44 PM

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It's called Heckling.

I know what it's called, and hecklers should be humiliated, but because of their race?

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Originally Posted by hiu

This is what RHYMEFESTkillah has basically said in this thread:

Only white people can be racist, because, ya know, they're white.
Black people can't be racist because, ya know, they're black.

In theory he's being racist right now, racial prejudice.

In America, at the moment, only white people can be racist, because, if you weren't so thick that you read MY country's definition of racism, as well as the definition pretty much universally accepted by scholars and sociologists, racism NEEDS power behind it to work. Prejudice doesn't, and blacks or whites or whoever else can be prejudiced, but not racist. That is reserved for whites at the moment.

What hiu has basically said in this thread:

"I'm a ****ing idiot"
*attempt at sarcasm/clever witty joke*

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Pwned.

Argument over.

Close thread

Well done, Hiu.

Pwned?
Maybe if that is what I had actually said and MAYBE if it wasn't true...but racism needs power to work. Whites = Power in America.

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Woohoo thank you for saying this. What difference does singling out have as opposed to talking in general? It's still the same thing. There is no difference between what that black guy said on stage to a live audience than if he had said it specifically to someone. It's still labelling a group derogatorily. Again, these double standards are bull.

There is no difference at all, just there was no one who PERSONALLY felt humiliated enough to make a big deal about it.
Had he singled someone out, that person would have complained. Also, if it was some no-name comedian, why would it make news anyway?

11-23-2006, 05:44 PM	#119 (permalink)
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11-23-2006, 05:36 PM	#112 (permalink)
~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 44	Religion =/= race, what is your point again? What does cracker mean? What MAKES it racist? The reason ****** is a hurtful word is because of the time period it went along with. People don't get worked up over words that mean nothing. I would say that you're logic is stupid, but you really don't have any.

11-23-2006, 05:38 PM	#114 (permalink)
~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 44	Did you watch the video? It wasn't a joke. Harrassing audience members is not a joke and harrassing them because of their race certainly is not a joke.

11-23-2006, 05:39 PM	#115 (permalink)
_Spinning_ Inexplicably Back Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 830	It's called Heckling. Google it. It's real.

11-23-2006, 05:39 PM	#116 (permalink)
~~hiu~~ Account Disabled Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,174	This is what RHYMEFESTkillah has basically said in this thread: Only white people can be racist, because, ya know, they're white. Black people can't be racist because, ya know, they're black. In theory he's being racist right now, racial prejudice.