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Crowe 01-07-2007 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 321972)

It's spelled Ilica and pronounced Ilitza.:
The hangover would explain that mess, lol. :beer:

DontRunMeOver 01-07-2007 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 321972)
There are quite a lot of beautiful women here though...not so much men though....:(
Yeah, what is that about? How come there are so many hot women in Eastern Europe, while the men don't really look any different?

adidasss 01-07-2007 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver (Post 321977)
Yeah, what is that about? How come there are so many hot women in Eastern Europe, while the men don't really look any different?
Because all the hot men are in the U.K. :(

DontRunMeOver 01-07-2007 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 321984)
Because all the hot men are in the U.K. :(
Well, they are now. Until a few days ago I was in Australia of course.

TheBig3 01-07-2007 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 321957)

Sure do, that's why we get a lot of american tourists visiting european museums, or showing their lack of manners in some holiday resort. That's funny, people go to Europe to get educated too! And you still haven't proved Boston was the educational capital of the world. Do you just like throwing bullshit statements like that arround without ever intenting to back them up? How many did you speak?

And I don't know where you get this "large swaths of Mexico don't produce garbage " shit, even if I was to believe you, which I don't because even the most backward societies produce garbage, are you trying to imply being an agricultural society is actually better than being the richest country in the world because you don't produce garbage?? I'm sure the native americans on Yucatan would gladly trade places with you.

No, there's only one correct way to spell in the English language. You should really learn to use a spellchecker if you don't want us to continually bring that issue up.

As far as mastering parentheticals, I have no idea what you're reffering to, but an example would be nice, I'm here to learn and if I can improve my use of English I will, but I expect everyone to point out my mistakes otherwise I'll keep repeating them.

I don't think that's true of the U.S. ,not entirely anyway, otherwise gay marriages would be allowed in all states. There is no other reason for not allowing an essential right of a certain goup of citizens apart form religion meddling in politics. I think they won't listen because by this point, they hate your asses and anything you do or say is the work of the devil. But as far as them refusing to stop their nuclear program, I fully support that crazy jew hating motherfucker; Israel has nuclear weapons and yet noone is asking them to reliquish the program.

That being said, I have a very bad opinion on the muslim world and culture, I think it's backward and we ( westerners ) shouldn't waste our time or money trying to bring them closer to western standards. Well we probably wouldn't if they didn't have so much goddamn oil. :D
Yes I like throwing out bull**** statements such as "Thats why people go to europe when they want to get cultured." I lvoe two way streets...hypocrite.

I did speak 2 with probably the same degree of fluency (according to you anyway) but alas my german has fallen to a standard even more delapitated than my english. Egads Margin [sic], what ever will the Germans think of me?

You add spaces between one side of the parentheses and the word. ( its wrong ).

To be honest I didn't read all of your **** because you're catty and as I've illustrated enough, you're a hypocrite who doesn't warrent full attention. I don't know what you're saying about marrige here, but if you think marrige rights are such an important issue, and that some states (really just Ma) have it and other don't, don't you think that proves me point that all states should be judged alone? I mean the anti-federalists ahve held the reigns of the country for quite awhile. States rights are rather omnipresent.

Iran should be watched because of their position on Isreal. Anyone who says we should wipe a country from the map isn't to be tolerated. But you know the game Margin, people say things for support like "we should make a constitutional amendment banning *** marrige" knowing full well no one would want to amend a constitution. A guy says whats he's supposed to so he garners support and he doesn't go down as the ass who wrote in hate law or the ass that started world war 3. By the way, if Iran goes to war with isreal, it will be world war 3 in my opinion.

Tell me then, is it color or colour, Labor or Labour? And spell checker? come on man, perfection lacks passion. Maybe you don't have that in law school.

XOXO
Big3

adidasss 01-07-2007 03:28 PM
I think I may be wearing him down folks
 
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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 322085)
Yes I like throwing out bull**** statements such as "Thats why people go to europe when they want to get cultured." I lvoe two way streets...hypocrite.
No, it's different because anyone who lives in Europe can testify to an insane amount of americans cruising the continent so they can go back and brag to their less than fortunate friends they've been to Europe and therefore are somehow elevated from the rest of the "common" folk.

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I did speak 2 with probably the same degree of fluency (according to you anyway) but alas my german has fallen to a standard even more delapitated than my english. Egads Margin [sic], what ever will the Germans think of me?
Never bullshit a bullshitter, I speak one foreign language and have and am studying two more, there is no such thing as speaking a language with a high degree of fluency and then forgetting most of it. It takes far too much time to get to a certain degree of fluency to forget it so quickly ( you're not 50 and let's assume you didn't learn them as an infant ). And I like my parenthesis just the way they are.

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To be honest I didn't read all of your **** because you're catty and as I've illustrated enough, you're a hypocrite who doesn't warrent full attention.
Or you simply cannot refute my logic so you choose not to respond to it.
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I don't know what you're saying about marrige here,
I think it's pretty clear what I said, it reffered to your claim that iranians will never accept democracy because they cannot fathom the state being separated from religion, which I proved isn't the case in the U.S. either.
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but if you think marrige rights are such an important issue, and that some states (really just Ma) have it and other don't, don't you think that proves me point that all states should be judged alone? I mean the anti-federalists ahve held the reigns of the country for quite awhile. States rights are rather omnipresent.
There are certain standards that are equal to all american states, the standard of living and education being some of them.

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Iran should be watched because of their position on Isreal. Anyone who says we should wipe a country from the map isn't to be tolerated.
And why should a country that has effectively imprisoned an entire nation into a giant concentration camp and continually violates international law ( which you are apparently privy to ) be allowed to get away with it?
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But you know the game Margin,
Who's Margin?
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Tell me then, is it color or colour, Labor or Labour?
The latter naturally, americans butchered the language, and it doesn't really help your case, even if there are different ways to spell a certain word, you don't seem able to keep in line with the american way of spelling English either.
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And spell checker? come on man, perfection lacks passion. Maybe you don't have that in law school.
You should try publishing some of your writings without checking the spelling first, see where that gets you.

adidasss 01-07-2007 03:45 PM
Are the current results just a show of solidarity towards a fellow american or is the prevailing thought that he's verbally beating my ass?

swim 01-07-2007 03:50 PM
Your my favorite gay croat but just so you know education varies from each state to state. Like a lot.

right-track 01-07-2007 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 322107)
Are the current results just a show of solidarity towards a fellow american or is the prevailing thought that he's verbally beating my ass?
Maybe both. :)

DontRunMeOver 01-07-2007 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 322107)
he's verbally beating my ass
You love it.

right-track 01-07-2007 03:53 PM
Yes he does love a good tongue lashing. :laughing:

adidasss 01-07-2007 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow (Post 322111)
Your my favorite gay croat but just so you know education varies from each state to state. Like a lot.
As compared to other, say, east european countries? Because that's what I'm talking about, I'm sure you see major differences from state to state, but maybe outsiders have a more objective view of things.

adidasss 01-07-2007 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver (Post 322115)
You love it.
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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 322116)
Yes he does love a good tongue lashing. :laughing:
Well I wouldn't kick him out of bed ( maybe just duck tape his mouth ).;)

DontRunMeOver 01-07-2007 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 322117)
As compared to other, say, east european countries? Because that's what I'm talking about, I'm sure you see major differences from state to state, but maybe outsiders have a more objective view of things.
I think that's true. You said in the prior post that the standards were equal for all american states though, which isn't true. Saying that they don't vary much compared to the variation between the US and eastern europe isn't quite the same as saying that the states are equal which implies that they don't vary at all.

adidasss 01-07-2007 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver (Post 322119)
I think that's true. You said in the prior post that the standards were equal for all american states though, which isn't true. Saying that they don't vary much compared to the variation between the US and eastern europe isn't quite the same as saying that the states are equal which implies that they don't vary at all.
The standard is equal from my perspective and compared to any other country. I'm sure the standard of living isn't the same in Ohio as it is in California for instance, but you'll agree it all looks pretty great if you're a mexican from Chiapas.

DontRunMeOver 01-07-2007 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 322122)
The standard is equal from my perspective and compared to any other country. I'm sure the standard of living isn't the same in Ohio as it is in California for instance, but you'll agree it all looks pretty great if you're a mexican from Chiapas.
I completely agree with that. And here are some lovely little statistics to support that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._%28nominal%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...PP)_per_capita

Per capita GDPs (meaning gross domestic product divided by total population... I think)

Missisipi (Poorest US state) = 27,545 USD
Croatia = 12,364 USD
Serbia & Montenegro = 5,204 USD
Tanzania = 723 USD
India = 3,320 USD

The US is the 3rd wealthiest country in terms of GDP per capita, but there are about 17 US states which have higher GDP per capita than the country with the second highest value (Norway). Luxembourgians are, of course, stinking rich.

TheBig3 01-07-2007 04:48 PM
But would that matter? By that, Mississippi which competes with New Mexico for the worst education would be idolized by Croats for their education...I think its safe to say that the diplomat from Croatia would not concede this point.

DontRunMeOver 01-07-2007 04:55 PM
Well, I don't know how it relates to the standard of education. Access to facilities and teaching supplies sure, but other aspects probably don't have so much to do with a countries wealth (although being able to teach students computing and sports which require specific equipments would definitely be easier in a richer country, and any subject which requires a lot of specilist books or overhead projectors or other teaching aides. Ok, most subjects then.).

Mainly I put the stats there because I liked them :laughing: but also because I would say that GDP per capita and standard of living can be pretty closely tied to each other.

TheBig3 01-07-2007 05:01 PM
Well I'm pretty sure the civil rights movement never took hold in Mississippi.

Edit: Which I'm fairly certain say enough about the hole in the earth.

DontRunMeOver 01-07-2007 05:14 PM
?

Edit: ?

Whole? Earth? Huh?

TheBig3 01-07-2007 05:20 PM
yeah I figured its best not to engage this while doing other things and put out cursorey responces but whatever. Im saying if your argument was that mississippi was close by GDP then GDP means nothing since the state as a whole is little more than a hole in the earth. Mississippi still frowns on interracial marriges and such. Its a sad place.

Also now that im looking again, India which is set to emerge as the next super power has a low GDP and its people are highly educated to a degree that surpasses most of the world in my experience, or perhaps its just the brahman class.

DontRunMeOver 01-07-2007 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 322166)
Also now that im looking again, India which is set to emerge as the next super power has a low GDP and its people are highly educated to a degree that surpasses most of the world in my experience, or perhaps its just the brahman class.
In your experience? That wouldn't mostly be doctors, engineers and scientists who were amongst the few who were qualified enough to get visas for the US, would it? In my experience, about one in four Americans have been educated at Ivy League universities and pretty much all American have been to college, in that those are the people I've met.

adidasss 01-07-2007 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 322144)
But would that matter? By that, Mississippi which competes with New Mexico for the worst education would be idolized by Croats for their education...I think its safe to say that the diplomat from Croatia would not concede this point.
Croatia is a peculiar country. If I was to believe the various american TV programes , I would say our worst schools are better than your worst. But our best fail in comparison to your best. We are an ex communist country, therefore most of our educational system is outdated but free and equally available to even the poorest of citizens. Private education facilities are scarce and out of reach for most but a few of the richest. But other, poorer countries would still envy Mississippi I would imagine. I agree with Tom on the rest. Access to teaching facilities is far greater in any state of the U.S.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 322166)
yeah I figured its best not to engage this while doing other things and put out cursorey responces but whatever. Im saying if your argument was that mississippi was close by GDP then GDP means nothing since the state as a whole is little more than a hole in the earth. Mississippi still frowns on interracial marriges and such. Its a sad place.

Also now that im looking again, India which is set to emerge as the next super power has a low GDP and its people are highly educated to a degree that surpasses most of the world in my experience, or perhaps its just the brahman class.
Even the worst of your states cannot compare to other countires and their civil rights. India may have a large number of highly educated citizens, but considering it has over a billion citizens a few thousand highly educated people doesn't factor in much. Plus, they kill female infants there and burn women with acid if they refuse to marry someone...

TheBig3 01-07-2007 05:50 PM
Yeah but they defend that right, the women as well, even the whole practice of burning yourself with your husband if he dies first. I mean, this is what I was saying ebfore about Human Rights not being universal. This is why democracy will not work from the western perspective.

jibber 01-07-2007 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver (Post 322171)
In your experience? That wouldn't mostly be doctors, engineers and scientists who were amongst the few who were qualified enough to get visas for the US, would it? In my experience, about one in four Americans have been educated at Ivy League universities and pretty much all American have been to college, in that those are the people I've met.
1 in 4 at an ivy league uni? BUUULLLLSSSHHHIIIIIITTTTT! and no, MOST americans have not been to college. the people you've met yeah, but that is in NO WAY indicative of the total population.

adidasss 01-07-2007 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 322184)
Yeah but they defend that right, the women as well, even the whole practice of burning yourself with your husband if he dies first. I mean, this is what I was saying ebfore about Human Rights not being universal. This is why democracy will not work from the western perspective.
Human rights are universal as proclaimed by the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It's only a matter of the west finally forcing those standards onto everyone else. :D

adidasss 01-07-2007 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jibber (Post 322186)
1 in 4 at an ivy league uni? BUUULLLLSSSHHHIIIIIITTTTT! and no, MOST americans have not been to college. the people you've met yeah, but that is in NO WAY indicative of the total population.
He was being sarcastic. ;)

TheBig3 01-07-2007 05:58 PM
Its getting that way but the maority of ones alive go, and frnakly, I'm all for learning what you want but too mnay go for things that they never use and have no relevence in the large movement of the world.

Social Security is keeping the greatest generation alive, but when they die out im sure it will tip the scales.

TheBig3 01-07-2007 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 322188)
Human rights are universal as proclaimed by the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It's only a matter of the west finally forcing those standards to everyone else. :D
I know you're joking but there are a lot of people here (in the US) who honeslty believe we have to ram it down their throats.

adidasss 01-07-2007 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 322193)
I know you're joking but there are a lot of people here (in the US) who honeslty believe we have to ram it down their throats.
I actually wasn't joking, I'm all for imposing our standrards on the rest of the world, it's not our fault they're too stupid and backward to figure it out by themselves, and frankly, we cannot allow ourselves to wait for them to reach our level of development as far as human rights are concerned. Only difference being that I don't think we need to invade the all...;) Going through the proper channels of economic cohersion is the cultured ( european ) way to do it ( just look at Turkey ).

adidasss 01-07-2007 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 322191)
Its getting that way but the maority of ones alive go, and frnakly, I'm all for learning what you want but too mnay go for things that they never use and have no relevence in the large movement of the world.

Social Security is keeping the greatest generation alive, but when they die out im sure it will tip the scales.
Would you mind reading what you write before posting it? I can't decipher this for the life of me.

TheBig3 01-07-2007 06:13 PM
no i like pissing you off.

I don't know if Turkey is really the best example, aren't they costantly on the verge of war being it a muslim amjority and a christian government?

Also, You're starting to sound like Bill O'Reilly...good world view.

DontRunMeOver 01-07-2007 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jibber (Post 322186)
1 in 4 at an ivy league uni? BUUULLLLSSSHHHIIIIIITTTTT! and no, MOST americans have not been to college. the people you've met yeah, but that is in NO WAY indicative of the total population.
Which is exactly my point. Legal immigrants to rich countries (excluding those countries which people have fled for political reasons perhaps) tend to be the most educated, as their qualifications means they have the easiest time getting a visa to this new country. Likewise, if you have met people from other countries who were taking part in development projects in 3rd world countries or who were attending academic conferences you would tend to encounter a much higher proportion of very qualified and educated people.

Both situations can result in the same biased perception if you take the people you meet to be representative of the country they came from. Like Adidass said, I was being sarcastic... or rather, not sarcastic but just pointing out the innacuracy of Big3's statement by showing how innacurate I could be if I wanted used the same logic. I know that it's not 1 in 4 people who go to the Ivy League in the US but if I had to base my knowledge purely on the edudcation of the people from the US I'd met and to use no other source then this would be a perfectly reasonably assumption. Likewise, if Big3 has based his knowledge on the people he's met and not bother to research more into it then I think I can understand how he came to make his statement about good education in India, however innacurate it may be in reality.

Actually, to clarify, there is a lot of very good education in India it just isn't available to the majority of the population.

Raine 01-07-2007 06:36 PM
I'm not too sure about education through out the entire country.
but some paper recently printed an article about pennsylvania and statistics show that there is a steady in crease in the number of drop outs in Philadelphia. And that through out Surburban Pennsylvania the percentage of kids that drop out is 3%.
This does not include amish folk because they don't have to remain shcool beyond the 8th grade.

DontRunMeOver 01-07-2007 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Raine (Post 322244)
I'm not too sure about education through out the entire country.
Well, as long as somebody stops me from talking on and on about India I'm happy.

Raine 01-07-2007 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver (Post 322248)
Well, as long as somebody stops me from talking on and on about India I'm happy.
but there's loads to say about india. (including but not limited to education)

DontRunMeOver 01-07-2007 06:44 PM
I know, that's why I want somebody to redirect me before I start saying it.

Raine 01-07-2007 06:48 PM
^ now it makes sense :)


on a side note. I have no clue as to why we have all thesr versus threads spraining up.
but if I had to vote for either of the two candidates in this thread. I'd pribably vote for both of them because well I don't know. but they'd both have my vote so.
also for future threads of this sort we should like have the option of choosing more than one person.

(I voted for addidass before i realized you were limited to one option. sorry big3)

[MERIT] 01-07-2007 06:51 PM
adidasss got my vote as well, but both make a few valid points (hidden among 12 pages of bitching).

DontRunMeOver 01-07-2007 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Raine (Post 322256)
but if I had to vote for either of the two candidates in this thread. I'd pribably vote for both of them because well I don't know. but they'd both have my vote so.
Hmmmm, do you find polling stations confusing too then?

I agree with Oojay on his last post, if I'd voted ealier it would have been for Big3 because I'm not even sure what Marijan was arguing about at the beginning but what argument has developed (what argument?) is now being better argued by Marijan. Although I normally, and still do, think Big3 is pretty great he seems to be saying a few things which I have to disagree with in this thread.


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