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~nutshell~ · 01-08-2007, 05:43 PM

ok. I don't believe it. But then again, I don't believe in hell. And I'm not so sure about God either.

tdoc210 · 01-08-2007, 05:46 PM

As I havesince I was young, and first experinced death, firmly beleived, that religion, as a whole, was an entirley ridicoulous affair. After being taught about how great Christians were for converting "pagan cultures to christianity, i began to question it, first i asked the teacher, what if the people, wanted nothing to do with the christians or their beleifs, the age old traditions of these cultures should have been preserved, not obliterated. Then when I found out that Christians killed, or outcast anyone who was not of their faith, i concluded that the only reason these people converted their religion was for fear of their own lives, and welfare of their family. Fore they could face a penalty such as, stoning or burning at the stake, i can see the goodwill being spread right there. I was brought up in a christian/catholic household, obviousley catholic because of Irish lneage, not that matters, but being brought up christian, i was bale to first hand witness the lies, one of the earliest memories was in catholic primary school, when i asked how come no jewish kids come here, and the teacher replied, this a christian school, people who are heretics arnt aloowed here. I then saw discimination for the fisrt time. Church was a laughing matter, sitting there and watching them denounce non beleivers, and god was great bull, and especially my favourite memory, after hearing the sermon about how jesus knocked the money off the table at the temple, there was a money collection immeadiatley afterwards. I have experience in this so dont say i dont know.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 01-08-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mamagarmr

As I havesince I was young, and first experinced death, firmly beleived, that religion, as a whole, was an entirley ridicoulous affair. After being taught about how great Christians were for converting "pagan cultures to christianity, i began to question it, first i asked the teacher, what if the people, wanted nothing to do with the christians or their beleifs, the age old traditions of these cultures should have been preserved, not obliterated. Then when I found out that Christians killed, or outcast anyone who was not of their faith, i concluded that the only reason these people converted their religion was for fear of their own lives, and welfare of their family. Fore they could face a penalty such as, stoning or burning at the stake, i can see the goodwill being spread right there. I was brought up in a christian/catholic household, obviousley catholic because of Irish lneage, not that matters, but being brought up christian, i was bale to first hand witness the lies, one of the earliest memories was in catholic primary school, when i asked how come no jewish kids come here, and the teacher replied, this a christian school, people who are heretics arnt aloowed here. I then saw discimination for the fisrt time. Church was a laughing matter, sitting there and watching them denounce non beleivers, and god was great bull, and especially my favourite memory, after hearing the sermon about how jesus knocked the money off the table at the temple, there was a money collection immeadiatley afterwards. I have experience in this so dont say i dont know.

Again with the pagan thing? Give the "wanna fit in so deny religion" thing a rest. kthnx.

And youre going to judge christians but what some of them did hundreds and even thousands of years ago? Makes sense to me

~nutshell~ · 01-08-2007, 05:49 PM

yup. sounds like my parents upbringing. The Christians were terrorists. that is true and cannot be denied.

Kurt_Cobain · 01-08-2007, 05:50 PM

^Christians messed up big time through history, and those people were self righteous morons, and not true christians in my eyes. But if thats your view of christians, I apologise for the ignorant mistakes the church has made. I talk of my views as a christian, and I hope I dont come across ignorant to the world and self-righteous

01-08-2007, 05:50 PM

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Its the old testament, with the eye for the basis. Christians live by Christ's words, and to turn the other cheak. We don't want to kill for sin, because its a sin itself. And if you read the whole bible, you'll know what to die means:
And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
It means they'll be cast into the lake of fire and not inherit eternal lifee, so it is to die.

Ah, yes. You live by Christ's words, the Old Testament is rubbish.
Well, since you have already admitted that you live by Christ's words, then you should know that you are NOT TO DEVIATE from Old Testament law. In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus is speaking to his disciples and he says:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the law of the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fufil. Amen I say to you until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of the letter will pass from the Law, until all things have taken place. Therefore whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven

Here Jesus clearly says that we are not to for-go Old Testament Law, and not to teach others that it is okay to for-go Old Testament Law. Well, you just tried to tell me that we do not have to follow Old Testament Law, directly contradicting what Jesus says in Matthew.

Kurt_Cobain · 01-08-2007, 05:53 PM

I said that the eye for the eye basis was obliterated by Christ, and that He encourages all to love, regardless of the sin.

01-08-2007, 05:53 PM

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Christians messed up big time through history, and those people were self righteous morons, and not true christians in my eyes. But if thats your view of christians, I apologise for the ignorant mistakes the church has made. I talk of my views as a christian, and I hope I dont come across ignorant to the world and self-righteous

See, you are quick to say they are not true Christians. I guess that means that St. Augustine was not a true Christian, since he called for the TORTURE of homosexuals and blasphemers. And St. Thomas Aquinas called for their outright murder. Two of the greatest minds in Christian history have been labeled by you as 'not true christians'. Maybe you are not a true Christian since you just admitted that you do not listen to Jesus or to Old Testament Law.

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I said that the eye for the eye basis was obliterated by Christ, and that He encourages all to love, regardless of the sin.

Yes, and you are wrong. He clearly says that we are not to deviate from Old Testament law. Any teachings of his that promote forgiveness are pure contradiction.

Kurt_Cobain · 01-08-2007, 05:56 PM

^No I don't think those men were true christians, i'm not going to retract that. Those people were to be judged by God, not man, they had no right to do the things they did. Since no man is without sin and they shouldn't have 'cast their stones' so to speak.

01-08-2007, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain

^No I don't think those men were true christians, i'm not going to retract that. Those people were to be judged by God, not man, they had no right to do the things they did. Since no man is without sin and they shouldn't have 'cast their stones' so to speak.

But do you not understand? The Old Testament (whose Laws Jesus Christ said we are to follow) commands the murder of those people by the Israelites (who now constitute all Christians and Jews)

01-08-2007, 05:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
~nutshell~ Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 103	ok. I don't believe it. But then again, I don't believe in hell. And I'm not so sure about God either. __________________ Just not enough. I need more. Nothing seems to satisfy. I said, I don't want it. I just need it. To breathe, to feel, to know I'm alive.

01-08-2007, 05:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
tdoc210 ashes against the grain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new hampsha Posts: 2,608	As I havesince I was young, and first experinced death, firmly beleived, that religion, as a whole, was an entirley ridicoulous affair. After being taught about how great Christians were for converting "pagan cultures to christianity, i began to question it, first i asked the teacher, what if the people, wanted nothing to do with the christians or their beleifs, the age old traditions of these cultures should have been preserved, not obliterated. Then when I found out that Christians killed, or outcast anyone who was not of their faith, i concluded that the only reason these people converted their religion was for fear of their own lives, and welfare of their family. Fore they could face a penalty such as, stoning or burning at the stake, i can see the goodwill being spread right there. I was brought up in a christian/catholic household, obviousley catholic because of Irish lneage, not that matters, but being brought up christian, i was bale to first hand witness the lies, one of the earliest memories was in catholic primary school, when i asked how come no jewish kids come here, and the teacher replied, this a christian school, people who are heretics arnt aloowed here. I then saw discimination for the fisrt time. Church was a laughing matter, sitting there and watching them denounce non beleivers, and god was great bull, and especially my favourite memory, after hearing the sermon about how jesus knocked the money off the table at the temple, there was a money collection immeadiatley afterwards. I have experience in this so dont say i dont know. __________________ We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that.

01-08-2007, 05:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
~nutshell~ Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 103	yup. sounds like my parents upbringing. The Christians were terrorists. that is true and cannot be denied. __________________ Just not enough. I need more. Nothing seems to satisfy. I said, I don't want it. I just need it. To breathe, to feel, to know I'm alive.

01-08-2007, 05:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
Kurt_Cobain Alan Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In bed, with Cheryl Tweedy Posts: 273	^Christians messed up big time through history, and those people were self righteous morons, and not true christians in my eyes. But if thats your view of christians, I apologise for the ignorant mistakes the church has made. I talk of my views as a christian, and I hope I dont come across ignorant to the world and self-righteous __________________ http://kungfucrazy.forum-motion.com/

01-08-2007, 05:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
Kurt_Cobain Alan Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In bed, with Cheryl Tweedy Posts: 273	I said that the eye for the eye basis was obliterated by Christ, and that He encourages all to love, regardless of the sin. __________________ http://kungfucrazy.forum-motion.com/

01-08-2007, 05:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
Kurt_Cobain Alan Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In bed, with Cheryl Tweedy Posts: 273	^No I don't think those men were true christians, i'm not going to retract that. Those people were to be judged by God, not man, they had no right to do the things they did. Since no man is without sin and they shouldn't have 'cast their stones' so to speak. __________________ http://kungfucrazy.forum-motion.com/