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Kevorkian Logic 02-01-2007 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain (Post 331261)
You're still free not to eat tha food. If we didn't have free will against what our mind wanted, people wouldn't be able to quit smoking.

Sometimes they can't. I'll take it another step, addictions. A heroine addict can just stop heroine whenever they want?

_Spinning_ 02-01-2007 04:12 PM
I agree with Catie.

I don't care what the argument is. Catie is right.

adidasss 02-01-2007 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow (Post 331268)
you're saying use logic and knowledge. Well. Where do those things come from? Everything we've been taught. Everything that we've seen.
And that somehow means we actually have no choice? That's totally illogical. By choosing we're exerting free will.

Kurt_Cobain 02-01-2007 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevorkian Logic (Post 331275)
Sometimes they can't. I'll take it another step, addictions. A heroine addict can just stop heroine whenever they want?
Did someone put a gun to their head and demand them to shoot up? Free will.

right-track 02-01-2007 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 331174)
If we can stop and think about every single of our actions, we can weigh out the choices and decide for or against it.
But that's not true free will.

What if the choices for deciding are detrimental to free will?

Kevorkian Logic 02-01-2007 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain (Post 331274)
But they're not being told to quiet!! For ****s sake, they choose to quit, for the sake of health. People that don't believe in free will make me think of cowards that are afraid to accept the consequences of their actions, purely because it was pre-ordained or controlled by factores of the enviroment.
Yea they are, if someone is complaining to me about how they can't eat because they want to be thin. I will tell them to shut the **** up, i don't care. Also, there's more than just believing in total free-will and total control, there's a nice middle ground that i think you need to come to terms with.

Kevorkian Logic 02-01-2007 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain (Post 331279)
Did someone put a gun to their head and demand them to shoot up? Free will.
Have you ever tried to quit an addiction? It doesn't have to be to heroine.

Kurt_Cobain 02-01-2007 04:18 PM
No, but people choose to start smoking/drinking. People control their own bodies to intake that substance. Yes or no?

Kevorkian Logic 02-01-2007 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain (Post 331285)
No, but people choose to start smoking/drinking. People control their own bodies to intake that substance. Yes or no?
No, try addictions to painkillers after physical trama stimulants because of add. You can get addicted to those and there is not much choice in taking them.

Kurt_Cobain 02-01-2007 04:23 PM
YES THEIR IS! YOU CAN CHOOSE TO GO THROUGH THE PAIN!! THINK ABOUT IT FOR ****S SAKE!!
You just said that it's not acceptable to go through pain if their's a resource their to stop it. So you choose the drug rather than natural healing or just going with the pain.


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