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TheUsedToolguy 02-25-2007 08:18 PM

This site's biased
 
I recently received a 1-day suspension from this site for spamming/abuse, which I can only describe as biased, seeing as how I was making derogatory comments that were not any worse than members who have been on here much longer than I. Since, I was making infantile jokes and snide remarks, I apologize for anyone I offended, A Perfect Sonnet & Jibber. After reading some of your posts on here, I certainly wouldn't expect either of you to do the same. It's become transparent to me that the mods. must decide where to draw the line somewhere, understandably, however they choose to decide who to suspend not on the content of their posts, but more on who they like the most, and who has been here the longest. Crowquill, I can see from your comments in the political threads that you are against American Imperialism, and yet you are orchestrating on a site that sadly shows the same kind of elitism and favoritism of the U.S. government. I was reading the other day about how many members in here were already speculating as to the unfair treatment received by newer members, and I became all too aware of that when I received the suspension. I see that Jibber hasn't posted in here in a while, and if he/she was suspended, I respect that decision, however I also see that A Perfect Sonnet was not suspended, and found their comments to be every bit as insulting and derogatory, and certainly should be considered for suspension. Thx.

sleepy jack 02-25-2007 08:21 PM

1. Doesn't belong here.
2. I don't see how my political views have anything to do with the way I mod.
3. I'll let Urban explain why you were banned since he did it cause I may miss something.

[MERIT] 02-25-2007 08:33 PM

http://www.allatsea.net/assets/Images/cheeseburger.jpg

TheUsedToolguy 02-25-2007 08:40 PM

Alright, well Urban if u get a chance to read this, I respect your decision to suspend me and hopefully Jibber as well. However, I am curious as to why A Perfect Sonnet gets a free pass to spew as much hatred and badmouthing as he/she possibly can on this site w/ no repercussions?

sleepy jack 02-25-2007 08:44 PM

I'd like examples of his hatred/badmouthing, I saw plenty of intelligent arguments from him such this

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Originally Posted by A_Perfect_Sonnet (Post 340946)
A little lesson about sound. The videos where you couldn't hear the vocals in were probably shot like this.

---------------------------PA Level

---------------------------Amp Level

---------------------------ELEVATED STAGE/Handicam Level (not multi-thousand dollar live recording systems your overly synthesized generic bands are provided)

---------------------------Ground level

Basically when your camera mic is 20 feet away from an 800 watt ampeg bass stack displacing the air like crazy, and a 200 watt Marshall stacking beating it with high end frequencies, especially in a small bar where the acoustics aren't very good to begin with, you aren't going to hear much of anything but fuzz and distortion. Even in the video

etc etc

When yours were just stuff like this

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 341012)
You are such a loser, perfect sonnet, I didn't say they sounded good, I said not too bad, and BTW if I get warned for this statement, I'll know this is a biased site that reserves special treatment for certain members w/ their heads up you asses, since read the above post.


TheUsedToolguy 02-25-2007 09:09 PM

Well, I've already given up hope that you guys will show any kind of equitable treatment to new members and old members alike. Is A Perfect Sonnet a friend of yours by any chance Crowquill? Just for anyone who wanted to take an objective look at my discussion:

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Is everyone from Missouri as misdirected and incompetant as you like to portray yourself?
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Wow, can you please get your head out of your ass
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I'm also amazed at how you clicked the link and went straight back to your moronic thinking
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PS. God, you are both idiots.
This very last comment, hilariously enough was from the exact post that you quoted, funny how you decided to leave that part out. It also bears a lot of resemblance to the very comment that got me suspended:

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gosh, jibber, u are such a loser

TheUsedToolguy 02-25-2007 09:12 PM

BTW, case closed as to whether or not anyone had any doubts about whether this site's mods. are completely biased

[MERIT] 02-25-2007 09:12 PM

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Is everyone from Missouri as misdirected and incompetant as you like to portray yourself?
Let's not be insulting Missourians now.

sleepy jack 02-25-2007 09:19 PM

You think one comment got you suspended? This is what pisses me off alot when it comes to banning, people think its ONE thing that does it. and theirs a huge difference between you and A_Perfect_Sonnet he actually has contributed to this site, i've yet to see see an intelligent post from you, this is all the music posts i've seen by you so far.

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 340984)
they suck, suck, suck, suck, suck whoever the singer was on American psycho.

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 340988)
yeah, but I know what suckiness sounds like, and they've got it.

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 340799)
he really sucks from what I've heard. I'll take Leonard Cohen any day. Tom Waits seems like a pedophile

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 340920)
It's not true that all live videos suck on youtube, probably just the ones that sucky fans make of sucky bands that suck, like all vids of Hot Cross

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 340840)
alright, well, they also looked like idiots, how's that? and the fact that they're playing a live show where u can't hear the singer attests to the fact that they're idiots

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 340978)
I saw a live vid, they really suck; it's like they're trying to scare the audience rather than serenade them.

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 340974)
I don't get it, are they trying to suck?

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 340925)
I think anyone that likes this guy should be banned for having such awful taste in music. Thx.

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 340748)
yeah, I agree, they really suck
They're trying way too hard to.....I don't know what they're trying to do, but whatever it is, it sucks

You went out of your way, bumping old threads just to say certain bands suck. That is trolling, and completely pointless.


And as for your insulting.

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 341060)
gosh, jibber, u are such a loser

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 341012)
You are such a loser, perfect sonnet.

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 341054)
And perfect sonnet you're such a loser,

I could go on, I stopped at page 3 of your recent posts.

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 341549)
BTW, case closed as to whether or not anyone had any doubts about whether this site's mods. are completely biased

Then leave, no one is asking you to stay.

A_Perfect_Sonnet 02-25-2007 09:28 PM

Ethan, I had sex with your bi-ass, homo.

EDIT: I got banned for a week once for saying someone couldn't draw, then posting this hilarious picture.

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Predator 02-25-2007 09:31 PM

I have noticed a few jerks around here. I have also seen mods do the same thing. But I guess that when you get older, you learn that there is no point in giving a **** about it. It is not real life after all. I would also like to point out that just because someone else does it doesn't make it ok for you to do it. When you are a new member you never get away with as much. Senior members are better known. Thier sense of humor has a better chance of being understood. But thats just my oppinion.


Matt

tdoc210 02-25-2007 09:32 PM

lol this site is as biased as Ghandhi

TheUsedToolguy 02-25-2007 09:33 PM

Reading your posts are a complete waste of time Crowquill, you're just trying to defend yourself, and you can't do it, you can't defend what is an obviously a lie: that you mods. show any kind of fair treatment, and you're continuing to be unfair by slandering me by only showing the comments that support your point. Anyone who wants to read through the posts can, and see that I have contributed a lot of positive and intelligent things to say, A Perfect Sonnet, possibly, although I haven't personally read anything that I felt. Like I said, read his posts, if you want to make this an objective discussion. Alright, I've learned that you don't like people bumping threads, even if it means just simply relocating their position from lower in the page to higher in the page; and then someone comes on there and sees that I voiced my opinion: I think so and so band sucks, or I like this band. I could have assumed that all the 12 year olds on this site would get really ticked off about it, and can't leave it alone, so they have to go in there and badmouth me by saying bad things about me. Outside of the rap battle thread, I never instigated anything w/ anyone. If someone tells me the bands I like suck, that's fine, but slandering me isn't fair since none of you have ever met me. Like I said, Crowquill, arguing w/ you is pointless. You and all your middle school friends can say whatever you like. I would like anyone who wants to review this thread objectively to go the thread: Punk:/Hardcore & Emo:/New Hot Cross and see how all of this got started. This was actually me at my lowest when I decided to stoop to the level of people half my age, I have since apologized and decided not to associate w/ them any longer.

A_Perfect_Sonnet 02-25-2007 09:35 PM

Yeah, you are 26 aren't you.

Shouldn't you have the intelligence to expand on statements rather than using colloquialisms such as "sucks" over and over again?

I fail to see where you can be cut any slack or receive sympathy for this unnecessary, self-righteous arguement.

Ma Cherie 02-25-2007 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Predator (Post 341558)
I have noticed a few jerks around here. I have also seen mods do the same thing. But I guess that when you get older, you learn that there is no point in giving a shit about it. It is not real life after all. I would also like to point out that just because someone else does it doesn't make it ok for you to do it. When you are a new member you never get away with as much. Senior members are better known. Thier sense of humor has a better chance of being understood. But thats just my oppinion.


Matt

:clap:


i acually have to agree with that beacuse i know for me it lightend alot, i've also been here now for awhile when i first got here, i ended up leaving and coming back later, due to a once modded but now non modded person, pissing me off, and i didn't feel like getting banned so i left, its that simple if you don't like it leave if you do and you are just mad, take some time away it not hard to undestand you know?

TheUsedToolguy 02-25-2007 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predator (Post 341558)
I have noticed a few jerks around here. I have also seen mods do the same thing. But I guess that when you get older, you learn that there is no point in giving a **** about it. It is not real life after all. I would also like to point out that just because someone else does it doesn't make it ok for you to do it. When you are a new member you never get away with as much. Senior members are better known. Thier sense of humor has a better chance of being understood. But thats just my oppinion.


Matt

True, but that's exactly what frustrates me, if I wanted to be involved in a system where all that matters is working your way up the ladder, and senior members of a group are always shown preferential treatment no matter how despicable their behavior, and it has absolutely nothing to do w/ your attributes, then I would go out in society; not be sitting here on my computer

[MERIT] 02-25-2007 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 341527)

I still like my cheeseburger idea.

A_Perfect_Sonnet 02-25-2007 09:41 PM

Want some french cries with that wah-burger?

[MERIT] 02-25-2007 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by A_Perfect_Sonnet (Post 341565)
Want some french cries with that wah-burger?

ZOMG. Somebody finally got the joke...

TheUsedToolguy 02-25-2007 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by A_Perfect_Sonnet (Post 341561)
Yeah, you are 26 aren't you.

Shouldn't you have the intelligence to expand on statements rather than using colloquialisms such as "sucks" over and over again?

I fail to see where you can be cut any slack or receive sympathy for this unnecessary, self-righteous arguement.

Here is an obvious attempt to insult my intelligence that the mods. wouldn't notice, even though right there in your in your post to insult my intelligence you've misspelled the word argument, I'm sure it was a typo, right Crowquill?

sleepy jack 02-25-2007 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 341560)
Reading your posts are a complete waste of time Crowquill, you're just trying to defend yourself, and you can't do it, you can't defend what is an obviously a lie: that you mods. show any kind of fair treatment, and you're continuing to be unfair by slandering me by only showing the comments that support your point.

Of course i'm going to show only quotes that support my point, why would I quote posts that weren't relevant to what I was saying?

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Anyone who wants to read through the posts can, and see that I have contributed a lot of positive and intelligent things to say, A Perfect Sonnet, possibly, although I haven't personally read anything that I felt. Like I said, read his posts, if you want to make this an objective discussion.
No you really havnt' you've gone off on random spiritual rants that were incoherent and half the time completele non-sense and you're posts typically show the intelligence of a twelve year old in an AIM chatroom.


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Alright, I've learned that you don't like people bumping threads, even if it means just simply relocating their position from lower in the page to higher in the page; and then someone comes on there and sees that I voiced my opinion: I think so and so band sucks, or I like this band.
I'm fine with bumping threads, but you kept digging up threads just so say the band sucks. Thats pointless trolling.

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I could have assumed that all the 12 year olds on this site would get really ticked off about it, and can't leave it alone, so they have to go in there and badmouth me by saying bad things about me. Outside of the rap battle thread, I never instigated anything w/ anyone. If someone tells me the bands I like suck, that's fine, but slandering me isn't fair since none of you have ever met me.
Yeah but you've walked around saying *insert band here* sucks frequently and that pisses people off.

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Like I said, Crowquill, arguing w/ you is pointless. You and all your middle school friends can say whatever you like. I would like anyone who wants to review this thread objectively to go the thread: Punk:/Hardcore & Emo:/New Hot Cross and see how all of this got started. This was actually me at my lowest when I decided to stoop to the level of people half my age, I have since apologized and decided not to associate w/ them any longer.
Why is it pointless?

Yes people should go and read it, if they have any brains they'll realize you're completely wrong here.

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 341563)
True, but that's exactly what frustrates me, if I wanted to be involved in a system where all that matters is working your way up the ladder, and senior members of a group are always shown preferential treatment no matter how despicable their behavior, and it has absolutely nothing to do w/ your attributes, then I would go out in society; not be sitting here on my computer

Yeah once again, if you don't like it leave. After getting to know certain members we understand them and know when they'll stop and if they'll stop and if we should intervene. Everyone that went after you yesterday was perfectly justified, you went on a pointless trolling fest that did nothing for the forum.

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 341569)
Here is an obvious attempt to insult my intelligence that the mods. wouldn't notice, even though right there in your in your post to insult my intelligence you've misspelled the word argument, I'm sure it was a typo, right Crowquill?

You shouldn't comment on anyones spelling mister "cuz w/e u".

Also I agree with the statement and its completely justified. You act like a complete moron.

A_Perfect_Sonnet 02-25-2007 09:45 PM

I was going to post when I first saw it, but I didn't want to take away the joy of someone else getting it without the help.

Ma Cherie 02-25-2007 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 341563)
True, but that's exactly what frustrates me, if I wanted to be involved in a system where all that matters is working your way up the ladder, and senior members of a group are always shown preferential treatment no matter how despicable their behavior, and it has absolutely nothing to do w/ your attributes, then I would go out in society; not be sitting here on my computer

it doesn't matter where you live, your always going to have to work your way to the top of the social ladder at any place you go to to socialize it doesn't matter if your in Tennissee or Taiwan if you've been there longer you get respected more, no matter where in the world you live, its a fact of life so get over it

A_Perfect_Sonnet 02-25-2007 09:51 PM

Words I cannot spell:

sentance (sentence*)
arguement (argument*)

Thanks. That's quite the list I have going. butt u shuld no beter rite?'


I think he's mad that the highschoolers keep getting shift manager positions at the Shop 'N Go, and he doesn't.

TheUsedToolguy 02-25-2007 09:56 PM

No, I'm not going to get over it, this seems to be the way our society functions. Yes, that doesn't mean it's right. It would be fine, however this site is examplary of the fact that it doesn't have to do so much w/ working your way up in society as it does your ability to take others abuse in this sado-masochistic world, so you go ahead and take it up the ass. Me, I'd rather fight the good fight, I'm always goin' to try and be different and not resort to your guys way:

Some of them want to abuse you,
Some of them want to be abused

It's a sickening display of egotism

A_Perfect_Sonnet 02-25-2007 09:57 PM

You know they call it a "glass ceiling" because you can see everyone above you walking all over you.

TheUsedToolguy 02-25-2007 10:01 PM

why do so many people who feel so small get on the internet and talk big; it's an obvious attempt to hide the fact that you're a very frightened and insecure person in reality; why don't you do us all a favor, and just start being honest w/ yourself from now on. I was the same way for a long time, if you're scared, you're scared, but stop trying to transfer your feelings onto another person, in the end you're only hurting yourself.

sleepy jack 02-25-2007 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 341574)
No, I'm not going to get over it, this seems to be the way our society functions. Yes, that doesn't mean it's right. It would be fine, however this site is examplary of the fact that it doesn't have to do so much w/ working your way up in society as it does your ability to take others abuse in this sado-masochistic world, so you go ahead and take it up the ass. Me, I'd rather fight the good fight, I'm always goin' to try and be different and not resort to your guys way:

Some of them want to abuse you,
Some of them want to be abused

It's a sickening display of egotism

You don't even know what you're talking about, I can think of plenty of new users who came around and were warmly accepted you wanna know why? Because they made intelligent posts and actually contributed. Some users weren't so intelligent but were still accepted because they weren't trolling twats. Its not that hard to be new and liked on here, but if you come to a site and act like a jerk, people are going to be a jerk towards you.

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 341577)
why do so many people who feel so small get on the internet and talk big; it's an obvious attempt to hide the fact that you're a very frightened and insecure person in reality; why don't you do us all a favor, and just start being honest w/ yourself from now on. I was the same way for a long time, if you're scared, you're scared, but stop trying to transfer your feelings onto another person, in the end you're only hurting yourself.

And you think hes being egotistical?

Predator 02-25-2007 10:03 PM

It seems to me that you, theusedtoolguy, have come to the point that you need to make an adult decision. Suck it up and drive on, or don't suck it up and leave. I can respect your point of view, but this is not your forum. You were not chosen to be a mod. Insulting those who were chosen to be mods will get you nowhere.

TheUsedToolguy 02-25-2007 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Predator (Post 341579)
It seems to me that you, theusedtoolguy, have come to the point that you need to make an adult decision. Suck it up and drive on, or don't suck it up and leave. I can respect your point of view, but this is not your forum. You were not chosen to be a mod. Insulting those who were chosen to be mods will get you nowhere.

I think you're a conformist who will fit in here very nicely. There's my opinion.

A_Perfect_Sonnet 02-25-2007 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 341577)
why do so many people who feel so small get on the internet and talk big; it's an obvious attempt to hide the fact that you're a very frightened and insecure person in reality; why don't you do us all a favor, and just start being honest w/ yourself from now on. I was the same way for a long time, if you're scared, you're scared, but stop trying to transfer your feelings onto another person, in the end you're only hurting yourself.

It's funny how you could confuse dry wit and a condescending nature for trying to compensate for insecurity. We have a thread for posts like this:

http://www.musicbanter.com/lounge/13285-bitch-box.html

Ma Cherie 02-25-2007 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 341574)
No, I'm not going to get over it, this seems to be the way our society functions. Yes, that doesn't mean it's right. It would be fine, however this site is examplary of the fact that it doesn't have to do so much w/ working your way up in society as it does your ability to take others abuse in this sado-masochistic world, so you go ahead and take it up the ass. Me, I'd rather fight the good fight, I'm always goin' to try and be different and not resort to your guys way:

Some of them want to abuse you,
Some of them want to be abused

It's a sickening display of egotism


umm look i'm generally the one dishing the punishment and rewards on others, not the other way around, not here, but my personally job it to keep my younger friends in line, in what ever manner i have to, not saying i'm abusive, but at the same token i wasn't called the "mama cat" for nothing when there are problem i'm the one called to solve them in "Dr.Phil" style, and people listen, if you want to be the hard head that gets banned because you think fighting the good fight is not takeing alittle punishment every once in awhile then fine BE MY GUEST but as for mei'm goning to NOT try to piss others off, it doesn't get you any where if you think that making them mad is going to help you any, some times you just got to kiss someone elses ass

TheUsedToolguy 02-25-2007 10:07 PM

you're all so incredibly afraid that I'm tarnishing your name that you have to stick around here and make comments. If you were secure, you would know that it wouldn't matter what I say, bcuz you would know if I was badmouthing u, then it wouldn't be true.

TheUsedToolguy 02-25-2007 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ma Cherie (Post 341582)
umm look i'm generally the one dishing the punishment and rewards on others, not the other way around, not here, but my personally job it to keep my younger friends in line, in what ever manner i have to, not saying i'm abusive, but at the same token i wasn't called the "mama cat" for nothing when there are problem i'm the one called to solve them in "Dr.Phil" style, and people listen, if you want to be the hard head that gets banned because you think fighting the good fight is not takeing alittle punishment every once in awhile then fine BE MY GUEST but as for mei'm goning to NOT try to piss others off, it doesn't get you any where if you think that making them mad is going to help you any, some times you just got to kiss someone elses ass

ultra-conformist statement

A_Perfect_Sonnet 02-25-2007 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 341583)
you have to stick around here and make comments.

184 posts in less than 2 weeks on the boards, it took me like 4 months to get that many.

Ma Cherie 02-25-2007 10:10 PM

no i'm sticking around because i never leave an argument i'm a part of in the first place, beside i'm not the one acting like a fucking little child who can only complaine about how they don't want to do alittle conforming and write a decent post for your own sake

sleepy jack 02-25-2007 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 341583)
you're all so incredibly afraid that I'm tarnishing your name that you have to stick around here and make comments. If you were secure, you would know that it wouldn't matter what I say, bcuz you would know if I was badmouthing u, then it wouldn't be true.

I've yet to see anything intelligent come from your mouth other then facts pulled out of nowhere and idiotic logic. Why don't you actually explain why this site is so biased and everyone is a conformist? Because all i'm seeing is "oh no they banned me and some people were mean to me now i'm going to throw a hissy fit."

A_Perfect_Sonnet 02-25-2007 10:12 PM

Well I'm so non-conformist, I'm not going to conform with you guys.

I'm done cutting him down. He's already enough of a mess.

Ma Cherie 02-25-2007 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 341584)
ultra-conformist statement

highly doubt it, the truth is this, i learned i would be liked alot more if i stopped talking about all the things i wanted to talk about and payed more attention to the forum acually posts and then made and inteligent one myself that i wouldn't get fussed at so much by other members

TheUsedToolguy 02-25-2007 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ma Cherie (Post 341586)
no i'm stickking around because i never leave an argument i'm a part of in the first place, beside i'm not the one acting like a fucking little child who can only complaine about how they don't want to do alittle conforming and write a decent post for your own sake

It's obvious that you were pissed off when you wrote this, I'm not pissed off, so how am I the child, I never invited you in here, I respect your views, however I don't understand why people think that punishment is necessary in society for me when I was only voicing my opinion. Alright, you didn't like my opinion; point taken, however it seems to be that punishment and brashness would exist even if I came in here and kissed everyone's ass, as some people prefer to do.


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